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To: wideawake

"Does not sound right - every knight's armor I have ever seen is built for smaller men - and they would have been the ones to live a "good" life.

They data could show that average height in 1300 was 5'5" and average height in 1700 was 5'3"."

I'm glad someone brought this up. In his novel "TIMELINE" Michael Chrichton presents the point that the versions of armor that are on display from the period in question are primarily display pieces. This is similar to a scale model of an object for a trade show or retail display. Working armor, if it spent ANY time ouside unattended would rust to dust in little or no time (considering the metalurgy of the period). Additionally a good bit of armor was produced by the process of "ceur bolli" or boiled leather. When vegetable tanned leather (tanic acid from bark as the primary chemical treatment) is boiled, then pressed into a form and left to dry in the form, it becomes UNBELEIVEABLY hard. Hard enough to stop a sword slash or a glancing lance blow (layer it and let panels slip and you have a very viable and light armor system). It would not likely stop a crossbow bolt sporting a long thin iron tipped point, but that is a whole 'nother gear situation. Finally, it was inexpensive relative to the protection it provided.

Yeah, I know I am referring to a novel, but Chrichton has references....honest. I just don't have them with me.........

Let me check my notes....

ka-klick!

Cheers!


57 posted on 09/01/2004 1:13:25 PM PDT by petro45acp ("Government might not be too bad...................if it weren't for all the polititians!")
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To: petro45acp
Additionally a good bit of armor was produced by the process of "ceur bolli" or boiled leather. When vegetable tanned leather (tanic acid from bark as the primary chemical treatment) is boiled, then pressed into a form and left to dry in the form, it becomes UNBELEIVEABLY hard. Hard enough to stop a sword slash or a glancing lance blow (layer it and let panels slip and you have a very viable and light armor system).

I belong to the Society for Creative Anachronism, and last summer attended a short class where a guy was demonstrating the process. The ideal temperature is actually 180 degrees F. The leather goes from soft and flexible to a state resembling tough plastic. It retains enough "give" that a blow with a sword blade will bounce off.

The Japanese encountered this type of armor when they were fighting the Mongols, who used it extensively. The most effective way to defeat this type of armor is to have a sword with a very sharp edge, and using a slicing blow, which is why edge-sharpness is so treasured in samurai swords

98 posted on 05/14/2006 6:33:03 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the hubris to think they will be the planners)
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To: petro45acp

Beat me by that much!...

poing poing


107 posted on 05/15/2006 7:40:03 AM PDT by petro45acp (SUPPORT/BE YOUR LOCAL SHEEPDOG! ("On Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs" by Dave Grossman))
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