[Grzegorz 246]

"...no normal citizen ever thought of the idea to kill all European Jews, or to bomb/shoot civilians. I think that actually 10% were convinced Nazis"

Maybe you are right, however not only SS unites committed those crimes.

I think that Germans are a little too much subordinated in relations with their own government.
I think that for Germans state is more important than nation.
In Poland we have reverse situation. Even the best government would be criticized. Nation is the most important, government is rather worthless.

[Michael81Dus]

Maybe you are right, however not only SS unites committed those crimes.

Right, there were lots of "sheeple" who did horrible things too.

You´re probably right that Germans identify themselves through the state and not the nation. We are proud of our constitution and the state founded on it, but only few take pride in being member of our ethnic group. This is still a result of WW2... we don´t dare to distinguish us from other ethnic groups.