"Some" of us have. This is not just rhetoric Tonk. I believe with all that is within me that many of the leaders of the democrats including Kerry, and both Clinton's have had that same goal for years. They barely hide it, and the media, many of whom also have this goal cover for them against an dumbed down electorate. The media repeats the lies of the left as if they were truth over and over until the local yokels believe them. It is a shameful and frightening state we are in now. We must do all we can to defeat these who would subvert our constitution while accusing us of being the subverter's.