Keyes: Constitution protects machine gun ownership [describes Israel as an example]

Chicago Sun-Times ^ | August 25, 2004 | SCOTT FORNEK

[Luis Gonzalez]

"And please inform us, O Great Protector of our 2nd Amendment Rights, how that differs from current restrictions and changes we can anticipate if your buddy Obama is elected."

So what you're saying here is that as far as Second Amendment rights, there isn't a lick of difference between Keyes and Obama?

[Robert_Paulson2]

Ooooo....that's gonna leave a mark...

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sure will..

thanks for making your "mark" so clearly.
< / cheers and accolades for licensing >

alan may INDEED be the best thing since sliced bread on the table since Ryan dropped out... but licensing of firearms is really NOT a good idea... The GOA does not support that. I don't think the NRA does either.

[EternalVigilance]

Keyes didn't say what you said.

But you know that.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

I'm sorry, maybe your version of the Second has some extra wording that mine does not have...does your read "...shall not be infringed except by the States"?

[Chad Fairbanks]

Wow! A position I agree with Keyes on. Plus, he'll have the teenage gangbanger vote, and no one else will take that block away from him ;0)

[Don Joe]

Keyes should have said, "If you break into my house while I am there, you will find out, won't you?"

Have you seen that house?

Does anyone know if he's ever spent a single night there?

"The House" (scroll down a couple of inches, it's the first photo on the page)

[Robert_Paulson2]

My how things have changed around here.
I see a lot of burning bridges.

It's actually quite stunning.

[Chad Fairbanks]

If Keyes is the best thing since sliced bread, what was the big thing BEFORE sliced bread? I've always wondered about that...

[Luis Gonzalez]

"Why on Earth are you frightened to express what you believe?!"

Because EV will try to get you thrown out of the forum if he doesn't agree with what you say.

[joesbucks]

Where in the Constitution does it say anything about properly trained? It says it's a right. Period.

[Neets]

Try??????

Looks to me like he has been quite successful.

[Jim Robinson]

Sheesh. You got me. I'm grossly unfair. I favor people who support the same things I support. Guilty as charged.

I support America 100% and, not surprisingly, I also favor people who do likewise. Socialists, liberals, communists, trolls and other America haters all get kicked out of here fairly quickly. Free Republic is a place for "like minded" conservatives who wish to work together toward accomplishing our mutual goals of restoring constitutional government to our beloved nation. It's not a liberal debating society or a place where we dump on our conservative candidates.

Alan Keyes is one of the most qualified conservative candidates I've ever had the pleasure of meeting or working with. It makes absolutely zero sense to have so-called like minded conservatives dumping on him or his supporters in this forum.

[Robert_Paulson2]

he didn't say "licensed like automobiles"

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then I stand corrected...

"Keyes said he supports a system in which guns would be treated similarly to automobiles, with people being required to undergo different levels of training before they would be allowed to own and carry various sorts of weapons."

sounds like a state run permission system to me...
as in "before they were allowed."

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but then, you knew that.

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

Apparently, disparaging comments about President Bush are perfectly in-bounds, and not to be responded to.

Good to know.

[Oztrich Boy]

Where does the Second Amendment impose limitations on the sorts of weapons citizens should be able to carry (bear)?

not explicitly in the 2A, but at the time it was written, it was generally understood, and explicitly spelled out in State Constitutions, that all males (not just the the smaller group of voting citizens) had a required militia duty, and were obligated to be trained for such duty.

so "owning and carrying with proper training" will pass.

[mrsmith]

Alan is not calling for the licensing of "firearms".
As anyone of reasonable intelligence can see from his remarks.

How to handle advanced weapons like machine guns, especially considering the 2nd should be incorporated under the 14th, is an interesting question.
Keyes put it in the context of the original intent of the Second which was to protect both the individual RKBA and the state militias from federal restrictions.

[nopardons]

We're forbidden to explain this to you,here on FR.

And it's the WRONG question anyway.

[nopardons]

I did and that's the last I'll about about it.

[SJackson]

"He actually cares about ideas!" Very well put. That's why I like him. He's a real patriot and whether I agree or disagree with any particular issue with him I highly admire that his view is well thought out and logical. I think I could trust him.

I'll pause here at post 22 and agree with you, before reading on to what I'm sure will be a bunch of Keyes bashing.

Ironic, a thread on the 2nd ammendment as a personal right, Keyes in agreement with Dershowitz and Tribe, and I bet Freepers will find fault. Go figure.

[Chad Fairbanks]

I also support America 100%, and have an intense dislike for "Socialists, liberals, communists, trolls and other America haters" and don't want them around me.
I'll be damned if I will go crawling to Uncle Sam and ask his permission so I can carry a gun.

How do YOU feel about this issue, Jim? Should we, as Keyes is proposing, get permission from the government in order to own weapons, or is it our inherent right to do so?