TWO Russian Airliners Have Crashed.

[eabinga]

We have come to the same conclusion.

[Fitzcarraldo]

1303 actually left at 22:16.

[ChadGore]

Re: That makes no sense. How the heck could the airplane take off from Moscow at 10:35 pm and disappear from radar (presumably explode or crash) at 10:59 pm, when the crash site was several hundred miles from Moscow? Either (a) there's some timezone weirdness there between Moscow and Rostov-on-Don--maybe Rostov is an hour behind Moscow and the times are both local--or (b) the plane dropped off radar 24 minutes after takeoff and kept flying for over an hour. There's no way it could've covered more than, what, 120 to 150 miles in the first 24 minutes, on climbout?

Our best guess at this point is that the departure times in the WashPost story were not correct.

[eabinga]

I don't, using Mozilla Firefox on Linux.

[Fitzcarraldo]

Flight 1047 data

Flight 1303 data

[Fitzcarraldo]

see above

[ChadGore]

Thank You !

[Yaelle]

If these planes took off minutes apart and crashed minutes apart, how come they were hundreds of miles apart?

Public school?

[Fitzcarraldo]

Flight S7 1047 information 24 Aug 2004
Aircompany	Siberia Airlines
Aircraft	T154
Route	Moscow(Domodedovo)->Adler(Sochi)
Scheduled time	21:25
Estimated time	21:25
Actual time	21:35
Scheduled arrival time	23:35
Check-in	Check-in closed at 20:45
Gate	Gate closed

[Shqipo]

Stalin was a Georgian. Sooner or later, there's gonna be a lot of trouble with the former Soviet countries in the Caucasus Mountain area. Christian/Muslim issues, battles over the untapped oil reserves, etc., It's all simmering now just ready to explode, and Iran will certainly play a role in lighting the final fuse.

[pfloyd95]

Why has Drudge taken this story off his site? Seems to be pretty big to me. I only saw it briefly and then it was gone.

[Fitzcarraldo]

Flight WLG 1303 information 24 Aug 2004
Aircompany	VOLGA-AVIAEXPRESS Company LTD
Aircraft	T134
Route	Moscow(Domodedovo)->Volgograd (Gumrak)
Scheduled time	22:20
Estimated time	22:20
Actual time	22:16
Scheduled arrival time	23:55
Check-in	Check-in closed at 21:40
Gate	Gate closed

[Snowy]

Hmmmm..... today is the 24th. Probably coincidence.

[Moose4]

Yeah, I read that after I posted (doh!). That makes more sense...takeoff at 2135, off radar at 2259, so an hour and 24 minutes would put it about in the right place if you assume a normal cruise around 450-500 knots airspeed, and allow for a climb to 10,000+ meters, 33,000+ feet, which I'd assume would be cruise altitude for a jetliner like that.

I do wonder if the FSB will ask for American FBI or NTSB help? They've probably got the resources, but then again, the NTSB is generally considered to be the best in the world at accident investigation.

}:-)4

[Semper Paratus]

The MSM is obsessed with Abu Ghraib!

With todays news they all got damp covering it.

[ConservativeMan55]

Drudge has slipped over the last year and a half!

He used to be number one on Internet breaking news. Sadly..not anymore.

[Tunehead54]

That Washington Post is wrong.

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I think you're right! Prolly could say the same thing about the NY Times, LA Times, etc! ;-)

(thanks for the corrected info)

[7.62 x 51mm]

B-I-N-G-O! You get the cigar!

[ChadGore]

Re: I do wonder if the FSB will ask for American FBI or NTSB help? They've probably got the resources, but then again, the NTSB is generally considered to be the best in the world at accident investigation.

I suppose it would depend on the passenger list, I haven't seen anything on that yet.

If terrorism, this is a breach of civil rights of the worst degree. The right for Innocent people to simply continue to live.

[pfloyd95]

Still, he had the story up and all. I'm just thought it a bit odd that he had it up in RED and then completly removed it like it was false. Don't mind me, I just found it odd.