Posted on 08/19/2004 7:16:58 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
Me too. What intelligence reports? The ones Kerry submitted? We know how good he is with intelligence don't we? I've never heard anything reported about any Viet Cong being killed or wounded in this incident have you? And where did they come up with a damage report on Thurlow's boat? How does one determine if the bullet holes were from the enemy or from all the swift boats firing suppression rounds at the same time?
I write sports for a major newspaper, and I know what newspaper bosses respond to. Call your local newspapers, especially local major papers, and tell them you will cancel your subscription and call their advertisers in protest if they do not begin to honestly and fully report the news - including, of course, all Swift Vet-related stories. Talk to anybody you can, but try to talk to a decision-maker. Ask for the overall editor or managing editor. If you can't speak with them, tell their secretary (secretaries) what your concerns are and threaten to cancel your subscription. It will do little good to talk to an ordinary, snobbish. self-important reporter. Tell whoever you talk to that you're tired of the paper relying on the biased New York Times, Washington Post, Los Angeles Times and Associated Press for national and international news. Please be polite and well-informed. Have your like-minded relatives and friends do the same. Everybody knows the newspaper industry is struggling, and we know that a major reason is its left-wing bias. Some day, the industry has to become honest, or it will fade into obscurity. I believe the power brokers at major newspapers know this. The question is, when will they come to their senses? In the meantime, we CAN, CAN, CAN make a difference. Let's go!!!
It's worth mentioning that Kerry started this when he slandered all Vietnam vets long, long ago. He's got no leg to stand on when he whines about their "attacks" on him.
First time I've heard this one. Anyone heard this before?
Kerry has earned every last thing that's coming to him.
'Unfit for Command' Author Defends His Book
[partial transcript of "Special Report With Brit Hume," Aug. 17, 2004; "Special Report With Brit Hume"
HUME: I understand. All right. Now, let's just to talk about you a little further here. There are allegations flying - I saw some of them today on web sites and so on - that you are a Republican activist. And partisan, who has been a registered Republican for the past 20 years or so and has given something on the order of $14,000 to Republican candidates. Your response.
O'NEILL: Well, first of all. Of course, there are 254 guys in our operation, 60 of them won the Purple Heart. I'm only one of many people, but as to me, that is not true either. The actual records, which I actually drawn, show that I have given more money to Democratic candidates than to Republican candidates.
But I'm not a Republican or a Democrat. I have always voted for the person. I have given money for example to Duane Sand who went to the Naval Academy. On the other hand, I have given money to Bill White, who is a Democratic candidate for mayor of Houston. And I've done that because I thought they would be good people.
HUME: Well, what about the 14 grand? Were those contributions you actually did make to Republicans?
O'NEILL: Actually, about half of them were mine and I've given in excess of $25,000 to Democrats over the same 15-year period. About three times as much.
HUME: What about the rest of the other $7,000?
O'NEILL: Those are actually funds, as nearly as I can tell, that were given my law partner who has almost the same name, Edward J. O'Neill. I simply didn't give them. I would have been happy to give them. I just didn't.
HUME: Mr. O'Neill, it's nice to have you. Thank you for coming. Hope we can see you again.
O'NEILL: Thank you very much. Thank you, Brit.]
It is obviously a hit piece but it misses the mark. They spend the first 10 or 20 paragraphs trying to tie the SBV to the Bush campaign through a 7th degree of separation type of relationship. It's ridiculous. They do point out every single inconsistency of the vets, but they spend so much time trying to make the Bush connection that anyone reading this is going to give up long before they get there. They do point out the Cambodia deal.
My wife, the librarian (and sadly a dues paying member of the ALA), who voted for Nader last election read the first 2 on-line pages and said "this is ridiculous, it reads like a campaign press release for Kerry"
Thanks for the article.
NYT hasn't had an ounce of integrity in a very long time.
Just a variation on the Kevin Bacon game---except here you link W and Rove to the Swift Vets.
Could also "suggest" a little panic on our side too.
This article is pretty weak, even for the NYT.
Don't they teach you at journalism school, or at least at English class to be direct and to the point? The Bush connections make absolutely no sense to me. The Swift Boat then and now stuff makes a little bit more sense, but we haven't heard their side respond to the comments they made before.
I wonder if this isn't the incident they are confused with. This is from the Boston Globe article on Kerry's life:
"One of Kerry's crewmates on swift boat No. 44 said such an event happened. Drew Whitlow of Arkansas said he was on patrol with Kerry when Whitlow spotted movement along the shore and yelled, "I'm going to fire!" The quiet river exploded in gunfire, with people on the shoreline dropping, dead or wounded, and no fire being returned.
Whitlow recalled the scene: "This is a free fire zone, I will fire, I will put rounds in, I'm doing my thing, I'm feeling Mr. Macho. But then when you get close, you see the expressions of the village people, people waving their arms, saying, `No, no, no! Wait a minute, hold this off.' I ended up putting a few down, and then I found out it was friendlies."
To make matters worse, a mortar round ricocheted back at the boat and wounded three crewmen.
Kerry, asked about Whitlow's account, said he had no recollection of the episode and wondered whether Whitlow was confusing it with another event or whether he was with Whitlow on that occasion. Naval records do not resolve the matter. After being told about Whitlow's recollection by the Globe, Kerry discussed the matter with Whitlow and said he still doesn't remember it.
That is because the official Navy records that day were written by Kerry. However it is actually Kerry's story that has changed over the years. The SBVT story has been amasingly consistent.
there were two incidents that day one at about 1335 hours and the mine at around 1530 hours. See spot reports for march 1969 at kerry.com site...that's my thought...
From 180 John, let's put this thing and you to bed.
Man they are desperate. The article was one-sided spin, with each comment by the good guys being debunked at length in response. It was like a written Nina Totenberg report, about that utterly biased.
The fact that they pooh-pooh Kerry's blatant and repeated lies about Cambodia (shunting it to the last few paragraphs) makes it all the more obvious.
Well, it's too bad. Their guy is going to lose, in spite of their best efforts. Just wait for the return of those 1992 bumper stickers "ANNOY THE MEDIA: RE-ELECT BUSH"
re: the chart.
You probably could make all sorts of visual representation of O'Neill's connections with Texas Democrats too. Sounds like a connected guy.
Take a look at first two statements of Elliott. They aren't mutually exclusive, but posed so.
Pretty weak job. I think the Swifties will fight back.
You notice all the writing errors in this story?
It's the sign of a pretender.
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