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Keyes wants legislators, not you, to pick senators
Daily Herald ^ | 8/13/04 | John Patterson

Posted on 08/13/2004 11:22:59 AM PDT by Aquinasfan

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To: Aquinasfan
It really is mostly an interesting thing to debate at this point in our history. It's not going to be repealed anytime soon. And the reporter knows it. He's just mucking things up.

Personally, I don't know who the bigger idiots are in my own state of New Jersey - our politicians or the voters who put them into office - so its really a moot point from where I sit.

21 posted on 08/13/2004 11:31:48 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: snopercod
I used to live in MD, and I voted for Keyes 3 times: twice for senator and once for president.

He may be our greatest orator. And he's immune to the race card.

22 posted on 08/13/2004 11:32:02 AM PDT by jboot (Faith is not a work)
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To: Repairman Jack; meowmeow; Constitution Day; 4mycountry; Poohbah; Grampa Dave; ...

*Ahem*


23 posted on 08/13/2004 11:32:12 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (I am not late for Zots, I have stealth Zot capability.....)
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To: Aquinasfan

I heartily concur with Keyes.


24 posted on 08/13/2004 11:32:44 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham ("This house is sho' gone crazy!")
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To: Zavien Doombringer



That's what I said, you idiot.


25 posted on 08/13/2004 11:32:44 AM PDT by Repairman Jack
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To: Aquinasfan


I think it is a great idea. looking at this map makes me think the senate would look a lot more conservative.
the founding fathers thought it was a good idea
26 posted on 08/13/2004 11:32:56 AM PDT by TheRedSoxWinThePennant
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To: BuckeyeDave



Ditto.


27 posted on 08/13/2004 11:33:10 AM PDT by Repairman Jack
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To: harrycarey
If Keyes wants to win an election of the general population, he will have to learn to stay on target.

That's my point. He didn't bring it up. The sense I get from the article is that the reporter is referring to an old radio appearance and some old campaign appearances. It's a real reach.

Suffice it to say, the same reporter isn't looking as deeply into Obama's past statements that demonstrate his political extremism.

28 posted on 08/13/2004 11:33:37 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Aquinasfan

That is the way it worked orignally. Reps were elected by the popular vote and Senators by appointment from the state government.
I like the idea.


30 posted on 08/13/2004 11:34:15 AM PDT by Little Ray (John Ffing sKerry: Just a gigolo!)
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To: harrycarey
If Keyes wants to win an election of the general population, he will have to learn to stay on target.

The reporter cited Keyes’ answer to a radio caller’s question in 1999!

Keyes did not bring it up as part of his current campaign.The reporter is just fishing for controversy.

31 posted on 08/13/2004 11:34:21 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Servant of the 9
With the direct election of Senators, the states lost all power to limit the Federal Govt. It is the primary cause of the disintigration of federalism.

While it certainly was important, the War Between the States has to be at the top of the list.

ML/NJ

32 posted on 08/13/2004 11:35:07 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Aquinasfan

If Hastert isn't already regretting the choice of Keyes, he is now.

Yeah, this is an issue'll that play well in rural areas.

"Uh, yeah, I know your local manufacturing plant just closed down, but I want to talk to you all about natural law and repealing the 17th amendment!"

Sheesh.


33 posted on 08/13/2004 11:35:09 AM PDT by johnfrink
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To: Repairman Jack

Uh, no it isn't...


34 posted on 08/13/2004 11:35:10 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (I am not late for Zots, I have stealth Zot capability.....)
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To: Aquinasfan
One need only look at the quality of today's Senators to see Keyes is correct. Back before the turn of the Century, many were statesmen. Today, the majority are political hacks and fools.

Senators no longer represent "state" interests, and states have become pretty much irrelevant admistrative districts. Senators now represent their own interests for election. It's a question of Republican government rather than democracy. The Founders had it right.

35 posted on 08/13/2004 11:35:15 AM PDT by Gritty ("When great matters are at stake,count on Liberals to have pointless,womanly complaints-Ann Coulter)
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To: Zavien Doombringer



Are you really that daft?

I'm saying that the change to direct election of senators marked the beginning of the decline of the Republic.

What's your malfunction?


36 posted on 08/13/2004 11:35:15 AM PDT by Repairman Jack
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To: Aquinasfan
Two things:

(1) As I've said in these parts before concerning Constitutional amendments and state legislatures, given the anti-smoking legislation alone foisted on states like the People's Republic of NY in which I currently reside, not to mention other issues, I'm not all that keen on letting them choose my Senators even if it's hard to imagine how they could do worse than Chuckie Cheese Schumer and Hitlery Rotten Klintoon.

(2) Any issue like this that focuses on the Constitution from a constructionist point of view is a positive. We need to get that debate back on our terms, and Keyes can do it.

37 posted on 08/13/2004 11:35:18 AM PDT by Dahoser (Kevin Martin for Congress. The campaign begins now.)
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To: All

The 17th amendment has been a disaster for the states.

Prior to its passage, the Senators were the representatives of State Government in Washington.

One consequence of the amendment has been the Federal Government's ability to burden the states with unfunded mandates

Sadly, the wisdom of the founders of this country is being rapidly discarded.


38 posted on 08/13/2004 11:35:27 AM PDT by skip_intro
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To: Aquinasfan
Another reason to vote for Keyes if I lived in the State. Repeal the 17th Amendment.
39 posted on 08/13/2004 11:36:42 AM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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To: Non-Sequitur
... there would be 99 other senators that would laugh him out of the Capitol if he proposed it.

Robert Byrd, Senator (D) from West Virgina, has expressed the sentiment that repeal of the 17th amendment would be a good thing.

Off the Kuff <-- Link

I haven't found "pure source" support for the article, but repeal of the 17th is a subject worthy of serious debate. I personally think repeal would be a good thing, but don't expect to see it.

40 posted on 08/13/2004 11:36:44 AM PDT by Cboldt
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