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Keyes wants legislators, not you, to pick senators
Daily Herald ^ | 8/13/04 | John Patterson

Posted on 08/13/2004 11:22:59 AM PDT by Aquinasfan

SPRINGFIELD - If Illinois voters elect Alan Keyes to the U.S. Senate, he'd prefer they not get another chance.

Keyes, a Maryland Republican who just moved to Calumet City for the campaign, supports returning to a system abolished nearly a century ago of letting state legislators pick U.S. senators rather than voters.

In fact, he's dubbed the constitutional amendment that switched to public election of senators one of the country's greatest mistakes, vowing in past campaigns to re-examine it if voters ever sent him to Washington, D.C.

"He does still support repeal of the 17th Amendment," Keyes campaign adviser Dan Proft said Thursday, but added it is "not near the top of his agenda."

"This is not to be a centerpiece item of his legislative agenda should he be elected," Proft added. He described it as an issue befitting debate in "the hallowed halls of academia" or a "PBS special."

Obama contends the switch to voters was good for democracy.

"I certainly trust the people of Illinois and other states to choose who they want to represent them in the U.S. Senate. That is the very basis of our democracy," Obama said. "I would hope that Alan Keyes would trust those voters too."

Before approval of the 17th Amendment in 1913, state lawmakers picked their U.S. senators. The amendment moved that power to the people. Illinois supported the switch.

Although his aides say it is not a top issue now, Keyes highlighted the topic in the past. During a discussion with a caller on the Feb. 19, 1999, episode of Keyes' radio program, he said the change ignored the fundamental difference the nation's founding fathers wanted between the U.S. House and Senate. Originally, the House represented the people, while the Senate was considered to represent state governments.

"And we changed that, disregarded that, and I think it's hurt us deeply," Keyes said, according to a program transcript.

The push in the late 1800s and early 1900s to publicly elect senators was provoked by lingering impasses at the state level to name senators and questionable appointments.

During one of his presidential bids, Keyes named the switch to public voting for senators as one of the federal government's biggest mistakes along with income taxes and the Federal Reserve Bank. A news account in the Riverside Press-Enterprise from a 1995 fund-raiser in California includes Keyes promising to re-examine those topics if elected.

Asked about the irony of the situation, Proft replied: "You run under the system that's in place."

Of course, if the old system was in place Keyes would be a political underdog. Democrats control the Illinois House and Senate.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: 17thamendment; keyes
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Obviously this isn't at the top of his agenda. But it makes him look bad, which is enough justification for demagogic story.

Too bad the writer didn't feel compelled to write a piece about Keyes' opponents support for infanticide, a slightly more pressing issue.

1 posted on 08/13/2004 11:23:00 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: Aquinasfan

I should have voted for him for President.


2 posted on 08/13/2004 11:24:06 AM PDT by snopercod (Has anybody noticed that Iraq is using Saddam's "God is Great" flag again?)
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To: snopercod
I did.

L

3 posted on 08/13/2004 11:25:29 AM PDT by Lurker ( Rope, tree, liberal. Adult assembly required.)
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To: snopercod
And I intend to vote for him as my Senator.

L

4 posted on 08/13/2004 11:25:50 AM PDT by Lurker ( Rope, tree, liberal. Adult assembly required.)
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To: snopercod

Hindsight being 20/20 a lot of folks should have.


5 posted on 08/13/2004 11:26:11 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: Aquinasfan

The founding fathers did indeed set things up for the congressman to choose the senators. That might have been a good idea then, today, I don't think so.


6 posted on 08/13/2004 11:26:55 AM PDT by Wiser now (A bitter, sour old woman is the crowning work of the devil.)
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I think it should be repealed also, so what is the problem?

The states have lost to much power and that can be attributed to the the 17th amendment.

So another reason to vote for him

7 posted on 08/13/2004 11:27:05 AM PDT by dts32041 (Why has John "Fning" Kerry accused me of being a War Criminal? Viet Nam APR 70- NOV 71)
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To: Aquinasfan
Obviously this isn't at the top of his agenda.

Regardless, there would be 99 other senators that would laugh him out of the Capitol if he proposed it.

8 posted on 08/13/2004 11:27:41 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: dts32041
Can he do something about the 16th amendment while he is at it?
9 posted on 08/13/2004 11:27:54 AM PDT by dts32041 (Why has John "Fning" Kerry accused me of being a War Criminal? Viet Nam APR 70- NOV 71)
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To: Aquinasfan

If Keyes wants to win an election of the general population, he will have to learn to stay on target.

Somehow I don't think that this issue is on the top ten things that people are thinking about.


10 posted on 08/13/2004 11:27:55 AM PDT by harrycarey
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To: Aquinasfan
Keyes, a Maryland Republican who just moved to Calumet City for the campaign, supports returning to a system abolished nearly a century ago of letting state legislators pick U.S. senators rather than voters.

Note that change corresponds with the beginning of the decline of the Republic.

11 posted on 08/13/2004 11:28:30 AM PDT by Repairman Jack
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Before approval of the 17th Amendment in 1913, state lawmakers picked their U.S. senators. The amendment moved that power to the people. Illinois supported the switch.

With the direct election of Senators, the states lost all power to limit the Federal Govt.
It is the primary cause of the disintigration of federalism.

Repeal of the ammendment would be a powerful step in getting the government back under control.

So9

12 posted on 08/13/2004 11:28:36 AM PDT by Servant of the 9 (Screwing the Inscrutable or is it Scruting the Inscrewable?)
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To: Wiser now

The founding fathers set it up right. The 17th should be repealed.


13 posted on 08/13/2004 11:29:08 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: Aquinasfan

the fact is, that's the way the constitution as originaly written, the states power was robbed by people who were uneducated about how our government works.


14 posted on 08/13/2004 11:29:18 AM PDT by The Wizard (DemonRATS: enemies of America)
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He described it as an issue befitting debate in "the hallowed halls of academia" or a "PBS special."

Bwa ha ha. Now Keyes doesn't want to discuss his own beliefs during the election for the very seat at issue...

15 posted on 08/13/2004 11:29:19 AM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: Aquinasfan

i agree with him. look what the'people' gave us hillary


16 posted on 08/13/2004 11:29:36 AM PDT by camas
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To: snopercod

with any luck, Alan will be able to explain to the dumber amoung us why this would be good.


17 posted on 08/13/2004 11:30:29 AM PDT by The Wizard (DemonRATS: enemies of America)
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To: dts32041
I think it should be repealed also, so what is the problem?

There isn't any problem with his position, per se. The problem is that the issue is so easy to demagogue, and so relatively unimportant compared to other public policy issues, that Keyes has prudently chosen not to pursue the issue.

The reporter's motivation, however, is crystal clear to me.

18 posted on 08/13/2004 11:30:59 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Repairman Jack
I smell ZOT...

Note that change corresponds with the beginning of the decline of the Republic.

No you idiot, it would be going back to the way the Republic was supposed to run...

19 posted on 08/13/2004 11:31:12 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (I am not late for Zots, I have stealth Zot capability.....)
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To: Repairman Jack

I, for one, wouldn't have a problem with going back to doing things that way.


20 posted on 08/13/2004 11:31:26 AM PDT by BuckeyeDave
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