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To: CSM; HawkeyeLonewolf

Well first, CSM, we have to convince him that a Nanny State is NOT the way to cure the ills of society - that more laws and government interference is NOT always the way to "fix" things - especially things that are not broken... I'm thinking that is going to be the toughest nut to crack.


361 posted on 08/16/2004 1:26:04 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (Real Men Like Bush)
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To: Chad Fairbanks

Yep. But I have to go until tomorrow. I'll count on you to carry the point for the team!


367 posted on 08/16/2004 1:33:30 PM PDT by CSM (To spread the wealth the liberal is willing, he'll take YOUR dollar and keep his shilling. -albertp)
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To: Chad Fairbanks; CSM

Who is asking for a Nanny State? Again, no me.

Your litmus test for a conservative has already proved a failure.

The USA is a balance of personal freedom and common sense laws for the protection of all. Sorry, that's how this country was founded and your whining and screaming because you can't smoke a Camel unfiltered with your Big Mac ain't going to corrupt this country.

Clean Air laws do not restrict the level of personal freedom in this country in any significant way. Sure they do for the smokers, but that's a specific. The actual level of freedoms is not changed. These laws simply corral this behavior which harms others under the umbrella of our other laws which perform the same function.

No increase toward a nanny state, except to you knee-jerk anarchists/libertarians who want no laws whatsoever.

Grow up.


372 posted on 08/16/2004 1:40:46 PM PDT by HawkeyeLonewolf (Christian First, American Second (Conservative Anti-Smoker))
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To: Chad Fairbanks; CSM
I'm thinking that is going to be the toughest nut to crack.

I'm thinking you are correct. Actually, I'm not thinking it - I know it.

I have serious problems with anyone that believes the government is what should be used to determine personal responsibility.

384 posted on 08/16/2004 2:08:25 PM PDT by Gabz (BTW - have I mentioned lately I'm sick and tired of rain?)
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To: Chad Fairbanks

lots of religious moralist types, SAY they believe in God, the Savior and the church.... but most of them ACT as if they believe all those roles, are to be carried out, by government.

God may be great, but government is greater.
God allows freewill, but government uses force... it gets them what they want, CONTROL or TYRANNICAL influence over others.. by threat of force at EVERY infraction... and nowadays their are literally MILLIONS of potential infractions.

You are threatening the mororeligionists one true God... governmental threat of force against any expression of freewill other than their increasingly codified, and at times sectarian, religious dogma.

All bow down and worship the GREAT government...
just like the days of Nebuchadnezzar, the statue has feet of clay.

Scary that they came to the republican party, after they left the demcrats during the reagan years... and they seem to have taken over.

sickening.


395 posted on 08/16/2004 3:18:19 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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