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To: Gabz

So you endorse the rights of business to not serve whites? Jews? Blacks? Their choice?

Local governments have a right to set standards for what can and cannot be done in busineses LICENSED to operate in their jurisdiction. The building must be up to building code. The parking lot must be adequate and up to code. This is a no-brainer that prohibiting smoking is well within the tolerances already acceptable.

We are not anarchy no matter how much you want it.

No one is a born smoker. The person chooses to engage in such behavior that IS, in fact, harmful to those around them. Laws which protect the general populace from the selfish desires of a few are perfectly acceptable.

I would like to see the same conservative common sense that I promote for this apply to abortion -- that is infringe upon business to not be legally allowed to provide abortion services.

Bottom line. I am WITH NO DOUBT, one of the most conservative people here. This issue is one that crosses ideological lines. Your ignorance causes you to look at ONE issue and declare that because you don't agree with me, that I cannot possibly be a conservative.


336 posted on 08/16/2004 12:56:20 PM PDT by HawkeyeLonewolf (Christian First, American Second)
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To: HawkeyeLonewolf

It is not harmful to those around them. Smoking can be harmful to the smoker, period. You bought into the BOGUS second hand smoke studies, because you have always hated smoking, and are an avowed antismoking nazi, admit it.


338 posted on 08/16/2004 1:01:51 PM PDT by TOUGH STOUGH (Vote for anyone but Darlin' Arlen in November.....)
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To: HawkeyeLonewolf
No one is a born smoker. The person chooses to engage in such behavior that IS, in fact, harmful to those around them. Laws which protect the general populace from the selfish desires of a few are perfectly acceptable.

Will you PLEASE READ THIS!

Statistics and Data Sciences Group ProjectsOak Ridge Labs,TN on SECOND HAND SMOKE

"I think any anti who tries to dismiss the findings of the U.S.
Department of Energy labs at Oak Ridge, should be confronted with the
question: "Are you saying that DOE researchers committed scientific
fraud and that their findings on ETS exposure are untrue?"

339 posted on 08/16/2004 1:06:10 PM PDT by SheLion (The terrorist are here.......living among us. It's too late to close the borders.)
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To: HawkeyeLonewolf

Your entire premise is flawed. Yes, I beleive it is the side of conservatism to allow the free market to drive the business decisions on who to allow on private property, on what condition the property must be maintained. However, you seem to think conservatism means the market isn't smart enough to decide what conduct they want the private property owner to engage in.

The market can dictate business decisions much more efficiently than the government. You however, seem to be very comfortable with the government taking that burden from your shoulders. Conservatism means taking on these decisions as an individual, not asking mommy and daddy government to make the decision for you.


344 posted on 08/16/2004 1:11:52 PM PDT by CSM (To spread the wealth the liberal is willing, he'll take YOUR dollar and keep his shilling. -albertp)
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To: HawkeyeLonewolf
So you endorse the rights of business to not serve whites? Jews? Blacks? Their choice?

Strawman arguement and not worthy of response.

Where you get the idea I am in favor of anarchy is totally beyond me. I have absolutely no problem with building codes and sanitation codes and fire codes - they are all necessary to protect the general public from unseen dangers.

The person chooses to engage in such behavior that IS, in fact, harmful to those around them.

And you have the proof of this? Where? If you have such definitive proof, you are the only one on the face of the planet.

To relate a business owner permitting adults to smoke cigarettes in his/her establishment with abortion providers is absolutely disgusting. And I know a lot of conservative business owners that feel the same way.

Anyone that must loudly proclaim they are more conservative than someone else has some issues, IMO.

Your claim of MY ignorance speaks more about you than it does about me - good day.

370 posted on 08/16/2004 1:38:13 PM PDT by Gabz (BTW - have I mentioned lately I'm tired of rain?)
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