[elbucko]

I think Ian thinks too much, his brain must hurt. The last time I saw him we had a discussion about Iraq.....

You actually know this guy? This stuff is bizarre! The restraint of freedom for the collective good is socialism. The restraint of freedom for the individual good is slavery. However, laws restraining criminal behavior is neither. Doesn't he get the difference?

Oh yes! He's an engineer. Well so am I, at least that's what my diploma says, BSME. I never used it, by the time I graduated, I was in commercial real estate. I learned that engineers do not understand business, unless they succeed at one.

[Cacique]

Yes, I met him through Ron (rmlew) at one of our Young Republican meetings in NYC. At the time he was editor of David Horowitz's Frontpage Magazine. He was a bit saner then. Well, at least it seemed that way.

I am sure that a long unpaid vacation in some country ruled by a dictatorship will cure him of his delusions.

[Cacique]

BTW, I am still a bit undecided on this as I am not sure he is proposing that this paper represents Ian's position but rather Stiglitz's. His disclaimer in paragraph two doesn't make that clear. I may give him a pass if it's only an intellectual exercise in game theory.

[ninenot]

The restraint of freedom for the individual good is slavery

To call this statement bizarre is far too kind.

Did it occur to you that the rather common prohibition of murder is a 'restraint of freedom?'

How about speed laws? Red lights?

Ummmmm...real estate developer, eh?

[rmlew]

Have you read Hamilton's report on manufactures. Hamilton understood sound currency and supported tarrifs. Are you calling one of the Framers of the Constitution and the first Secretary of the Treasury, a socialist?