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Political analyst sees Kerry victory (U of Va's Larry Sabato tells why)
BIRMINGHAM NEWS ^ | August 08, 2004 | DAVID WHITE

Posted on 08/09/2004 8:25:06 AM PDT by Liz

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To: chilepepper

Sadir just said he will fight to death. IOW he said "please kill me now".

I would not count the Swiftvets out either.


81 posted on 08/09/2004 10:00:40 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Inwoodian

Because he thought we'd go in, find slam-dunk WMD stockpiles, he'd be cheered from coast-to-coast, and win in a landslide. That's consistent with the conspiracy theory you mentioned. One part of the plan fell apart, but it's a logical plan politically.


82 posted on 08/09/2004 10:03:54 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: DJtex

DJ,

This is clearly Bush's race to lose... Kerry and the Dems made the biggest mistake they could have by attempting to define Kerry by his Military Record....4 Months in Vietname and then years back home being a dupe for the KGB to undermine the war is not a record that one should be trying to build a campaign around.

Had Kerry stuck with domestic issues, he might have had a chance... but by trying to build a campaign around his 4 months.. he shot himself in the foot. He has told so many lies about his 4 months there, over the last 40 years and all the known lies and seditious actions he engaged in after returning.. that that should be the LAST thing he would want to be bringing attention to.

Bush owns the states he held in 2000 for the most part, and Kerry does not own the states that Bush lost in 2000. Florida is solidly Bush, no BS lawsuits there.. PA is trending back to Bush, Ohio is going Bush, I suspect Iowa will start to, if they haven't already started to trend Bush as well... I honestly don't see WV going Kerry, even thoug there is talk that the state is in Play... WV is a state full of basically "southern democrats".. they aren't going to change leadership 1/2 through the game for no reason.

For Kerry to win, he has to lock up everything Bush lost in 2000 and get one more state, and I just don't see it happening... short of some MAJOR unforseen issue.

The trending appears best I can tell is that Bush is gaining or expanding in almost all "in play" states... the convention is coming up, more arrests and details of terror attacks showing dems for the cowards and manipulators that they are...

Kerry's down to less than a point in Wisconsin after being up more than 6 not long ago... Most people still aren't paying much attention... and the Reps still haven't had their convention. I just don't see Kerry pulling it out.. he's peaked.. he went for the "HATE BUSH" vote, and that's all he has, and all he will have... and that is not going to win the election.

I know there is a lot of time until 11/02/04. But we are in T minus what? 85 days or so until the election, and every indication is that the Dems are min major trouble... they are solidifying their bases in the liberal states like Cali and NY etc.. but are falling nearly everywhere else.

5 to 6 point lead in PA, down to 1 point in a month according to Rasmussen... Wisconsin down to less than 1 point.... etc etc etc.. any one of these states go Bush, and its over for Kerry, and they know it. What I find amusing is that even though at least 3 states have a less than 1 point lead for kerry in mid atlantic right now, most tracking polls are still classifying them as "Kerry Lean" rather that put them in the tossup category.

I honestly believe its a 4-5 points at least for Bush by November if not more... no Nixon or Reagon 49 out of 50 states.. but nowhere close when the end is said and done.


83 posted on 08/09/2004 10:07:56 AM PDT by HamiltonJay ("You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.")
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To: Badeye
And he seemed to counter his own opinion about an hour and a half ago on Fox News Live.

How so for the cubicle bound?

84 posted on 08/09/2004 10:08:36 AM PDT by IrishGOP
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To: presidentbowen
" Race is over!

They are just hoping that if they repeat it enough times it just may come true. It's their Mantra, dictated by "mc Awful".

85 posted on 08/09/2004 10:09:16 AM PDT by ejo
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To: redangus
Gore was an incubanent, known for eight years... Bush comes out of nowhere... I call that a trouncing when a gorilla that had everything going for it is beaten and goes completely insane.

And that is a common theme with people GWB beats... they go insane: Ma Richards, McCain, Gore, Lieberman ( doesn't know if he is Republican or democrat), and almost all liberals.

86 posted on 08/09/2004 10:22:07 AM PDT by Porterville (Your sensitivity offends me you disgusting liberal.)
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To: GraniteStateConservative

Even if we found WMD's stacked neatly with a bow on top, the media would say "not WMD enough."

Nothing would EVER satisfy the left because THEY will not get the brownie points.


87 posted on 08/09/2004 10:24:18 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Corin Stormhands
IIRC Sabato was saying the exact opposite about a month ago.

Yeah, it wasn't long ago Larry was saying the opposite. What a goober! I don't care what he thinks or says, there's no way Kerry is winning handily. He could squeak out a victory, but he's not exactly in a strong position right now.

And I really think these political analysts are underestimating the network Bush/Cheney has in place.

88 posted on 08/09/2004 10:43:24 AM PDT by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: longtermmemmory

If we had David Kay and the rest (and the WH) saying we had found WMDs, it would be enough.


89 posted on 08/09/2004 10:47:14 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: longtermmemmory

a traditional stockpile would be good.

but this nuclear program stuff would require some actual thinking to understand - how Libya was the lynchpin for the program, and Saddam was part of the effort; scientists, money, yellowcake from Niger, etc. With the media and the sheeple, it will go right over their heads, it won't budge public opinion on the "no WMD" thing at all.


90 posted on 08/09/2004 10:53:19 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: Liz; goldstategop

I'm getting the biggest kick out of watching these DemocRAT operatives being interviewed all over TV regarding the Swift-Boat Vet subject.

According to them, their biggest fear is that "George Bush is going to be damaged" by what these Swift-Boat Vets are saying about Kerry.

I just videotaped a segment on Fox where the guests were Larry Sabato and some DemocRAT spin-meister ditz (I'd have to re-wind the tape to get her name).

Larry said, "Someone is lying. It is the responsibility of serious minded, objective journalists to dig up the truth of this matter. Politics is a tough, rough and tumble business, but it has to be that way. The voters have a right to know who is lying, and the liar(s) should pay the price."

The DemocRAT "consultant" voiced her great concern for how "George Bush" would be damaged if that occurred.

That is just how stupid they think we all are.

But ----- it isn\t as if they don't have lots of evidence to show that at least 1/2 of the country is just THAT stupid.


91 posted on 08/09/2004 10:54:52 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (All DemocRATS are either relativists, libertines or anarchists.)
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To: fooman
What is Sabato's track record?

I know he predicted a Democratic takeover of the Senate in 2002...

92 posted on 08/09/2004 10:56:25 AM PDT by veronica (http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com/ - read the truth about John Kerry!)
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To: goldstategop
If the election were held now, I'd think he'd be right on money.

Larry? I think not. If the election were held today, Bush wins, maybe 6-7%, maybe more. It's not being held, today, which is a pity. By Nov, it won't even be that close. Bush by 10%.

93 posted on 08/09/2004 11:10:49 AM PDT by sevry
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To: Liz

It's always a referendum on the sitting president.

I agree with his description of Kerry, physically and politically, but I disagree about Lurch winning the election, even if it were held now. Many moderate and even more Conservative Dems are going to cross-over, and vote for W. The liberal-demokkkRATs are hopelessly drinking Klintoon-Kool-Aid® behind the shed, and they are lost forever.

What worries me is the number of Conservatives and GOPers who are going to sit this one out, for whatever reason. The alternative to Bush-Cheney is chilling, and too terrible to contemplate. Brrrrrrrrrr...


94 posted on 08/09/2004 11:18:18 AM PDT by 7.62 x 51mm (• Veni • Vidi • Vino • Visa • "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: Liz

I could be wrong, but in 2004, I think Sabato was something like 2 for 6 in the key battleground states. Anyone have info on this? I think he was WAAAAAYYY off---and always in the direction of the Dem.


95 posted on 08/09/2004 11:22:27 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news.)
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To: Badeye
"And he seemed to counter his own opinion about an hour and a half ago on Fox News Live."

I videotaped it

96 posted on 08/09/2004 11:30:34 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (All DemocRATS are either relativists, libertines or anarchists.)
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To: AxelPaulsenJr
Never heard of him.

Not that I agree with his analysis, but he is highly respected in the world of political science. I was a poli sci major and I read a few of his books.

97 posted on 08/09/2004 11:38:20 AM PDT by wi jd
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To: 7.62 x 51mm

"The alternative to Bush-Cheney is chilling, and too terrible to contemplate."

I disagree. While Kerry will attempt to move us towards some sort of Franco-socialism, we must remember that the President does not enjoy the Constitutional rights that the Congress does. Sadly, the American people have fallen victim to overzealous judges and executives, but remember that the Congress must approve international treaties, spending bills, etc... while it retains authority to bring and try impeachments against the President AND USSC judges.


98 posted on 08/09/2004 11:56:16 AM PDT by Veritas et equitas ad Votum
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To: cripplecreek

it would be fun to research what the pundits were saying when Dukakis had a 20% lead ...
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99 posted on 08/09/2004 12:10:54 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: N. Theknow

very good.


100 posted on 08/09/2004 4:24:26 PM PDT by Militiaman7 (Support our Troops! Vote Bush-Cheney 04)
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