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Anti-Kerry Vietnam Veterans Hold Strong
Human Events ^ | Aug 6, 2004 | Human Events

Posted on 08/06/2004 3:23:53 PM PDT by jdege

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To: Cboldt
I didn't miss it. It's not the truth but perception that's important here, and if Elliot doesn't get ahead of the Boston Globe report in a big way then a large shadow of doubt is cast over the entire effort.

Affadavits don't accomplish much in this situation. They don't appear in mass media. Elliot cannot effectively counter a media story by going to a notary and signing a statement. Different audiences. Who knows, who cares?

His rebuttal to the Globe story will have to have the same play as the story or his information is going nowhere.

Screaming "the media is lying" on message boards will accomplish about as much -- nothing.

81 posted on 08/07/2004 7:42:30 AM PDT by GVnana
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To: GVgirl
I didn't miss it. It's not the truth but perception that's important here, and if Elliot doesn't get ahead of the Boston Globe report in a big way then a large shadow of doubt is cast over the entire effort.

Behold the power of the propaganda ministry.

82 posted on 08/07/2004 7:46:14 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt
Well, I don't know about a propaganda ministry, but it looks like Elliot got sucker-punched by a Kerry media bootlicker. This should have been expected.

We've seen enough good lives ruined by this kind of thing before.

Elliot is going to have to give as good as he gets. Or get a spokesman who can do the job. Otherwise the headlines will make the story for him.

83 posted on 08/07/2004 7:51:52 AM PDT by GVnana
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He needs to explain, that's all. Right now the left is reporting that he just keeps changing his mind.

There are two related stories here. One is the contents of the affidavits and the veracity thereof, the other is the contents of the Boston Globe's original stroy, and it's story since Elliott's August 6th affidavit was published. Anybody who cares can read all of that material in a matter of less than 15 minutes. IMO, the case is clear enough from those writings that the vast majority of readers will come to appropriate conclusions, without having to have the matter analyzed by some self-appointed "expert."

"The people" have come to expect the media will do this chore for them, and can only comprehend short, sweet sound-bites. That's the way it is.

In short, I loathe the media, but sure don't expect them to do my homework. I do expect they will do all in their power to further whatever agenda they may have (which I think is simply to sell hotdogs and beer).

84 posted on 08/07/2004 7:52:46 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: GVgirl
Elliot is going to have to give as good as he gets. Or get a spokesman who can do the job. Otherwise the headlines will make the story for him.

If Elliott, or a spokesman, gives as good as he gets, but the media ignores him, is he really able to make the story?

Don't blame Elliott, or the Swift Boat Veterans, for the actions of the media. The Swift Boat Veterans were out with this material in May. The affidavits in July were prepared to knock the legs out from media outlets that refused to run their paid advertisment. These men are putting their money where their mouths are. The media is the "bad guy" here. Although, I'm sure you knew, and know that.

85 posted on 08/07/2004 7:56:24 AM PDT by Cboldt
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I woke up in the middle of the night totally PISSED about this? Who says only John Frickin' Kerry can call himself a war hero? Why? Because he went into public office and has paraded his "war heroism" around like a self-absorbed kid saying, "look at me, look at me!" These men are real soldiers too and they deserve a hearing or at least the benefit of the doubt. But NOOOOOO...instead the elites in the media (who did not serve in VIETNAM) are calling them dishonest and Republican shills. It is so sickening. These poor vets are getting the same treatment they got when they came home - totally looked down upon full of disdain by a hateful media. It's unbelieveable.

The other one who has to be a bit pained about this whole thing is Bob Kerrey - he was a Vietnam Vet but the press decided to hound him about accusations of committing war crimes during Vietnam and he had to let go of all hopes of running for President yet John Frickin' Kerry admits committing war crimes and he's treated like hero.

The MEDIA IS SO DISGUSTING ON THIS ONE...and that's all of them, FNC included. Especialy O'Reilly and his take that the ad is immoral and shouldn't be run. Says who Bill? You the almighty? These guys served their country and they at least deserve some RESPECT. Instead they get nothing.

GOD, I HATE THE PRESS!!

86 posted on 08/07/2004 8:05:18 AM PDT by Wphile (Keep the UN out of Iraq)
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To: Cboldt
If Elliott, or a spokesman, gives as good as he gets, but the media ignores him, is he really able to make the story? Don't blame Elliott, or the Swift Boat Veterans, for the actions of the media

I'm not blaming Elliot or the vets. But they have to meet and deal with the reality of deceit and treachery, even if it's ugly and dishonest.

You and I may know the truth of events, but we bother to make a study of it. That is not mass media.

87 posted on 08/07/2004 8:10:28 AM PDT by GVnana
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