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Illinois GOP picks Alan Keyes to run against Obama!
illinoisleader.com ^ | August 4, 2004

Posted on 08/04/2004 6:13:51 PM PDT by tame

It's official! Yahoo!


TOPICS: Breaking News; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: alankeyes; alankicksbutt; classicdebates; debatesforhistory; goalan; gopprimary; historicdebates; illinois; keyes
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To: Jorge

Well,what did you expect from a kneepadded Keyster? LOL


881 posted on 08/04/2004 9:55:57 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Luis Gonzalez
I was being facetious. :) Silly mood I guess.

But it doesn't take a rocket scientist or a theologian to understand that Reagan believed abortion is unmistakably evil. Bush has said "people of good hearts can disagree," and I suppose that is correct. If I were blameless, I guess I'd have a leg to stand on in disagreeing with him. I'm not, obviously.

We all, according to Bush's own faith, will be judged as evil apart from the Grace of God through Jesus Christ. It is not for us to judge individuals as evil, but we can and should determine what is evil and what is not concerning our own individual and national behaviors. The people have determined that murder is evil, which is why it is against the law.

Similarly, we should also determine that putting ourselves in the position of God to dole out the right to life as we see fit is evil. Though it seems merely a theological and impractical question, consider this: If God does not grant the right to life--if the right to life is the result of human choice (a woman's choice) or a product documents and constitutions as the left would have us believe, then none of our rights are safe. You cannot defeat an evil principle unless you are willing to determine that the principle is evil and therefore unacceptable.

Can you give me an example to contradict?

882 posted on 08/04/2004 9:58:00 PM PDT by outlawcam (No time to waste. Now get moving.)
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To: tame
"Luis objects to me believing that persons can be evil."

That's yet another lie.

I object to your "logic" that would have conservatives behave like liberals in order to win political offices, and justify it by branding them "evil" for not sharing your political ideology.

You would have American citizens who exercise their Constitutional right to express themselves in the political arena, but who do not toe your political ideology branded as "evil".

I think that it is an infantile line of reasoning.

883 posted on 08/04/2004 9:58:12 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Sin Patria, pero sin amo)
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To: Huber
Keyes'll liven things up a bit for y'all.

Keyes can certainly do that --- this thread is over 874 already. Go Keyes!!!

884 posted on 08/04/2004 9:58:40 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: shanscom

Your friend is smoking something funny/droped the brown acid.


885 posted on 08/04/2004 9:58:46 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Leftists think that YOU are evil,

Correction: Leftists think that evil cannot be defined.

886 posted on 08/04/2004 9:59:25 PM PDT by outlawcam (No time to waste. Now get moving.)
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To: Fifth Business

I know. You should see them,when I say I just want mustard and relish on my dog. LOL


887 posted on 08/04/2004 10:00:16 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: outlawcam
That's a load of crap; ask any raging leftist to define "evil", and they'll answer "Bush".

tame is no different than a leftist.

888 posted on 08/04/2004 10:00:53 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Sin Patria, pero sin amo)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
That's a lie, but I guess you'll justify lying as well because your cause is pure.

Oh, my, well if I'm wrong then END OF ARGUMENT since my whole point is that people (leftists) can be evil. I thought you were arguing otherwise since you took exception to me using the term evil. Any honesy reading of your posts will demonstrate you did.

However, if you agree that people can be evil, then there's not much left for us to discuss...unless...you insist on arguing that leftists cannot be evil.

Here is my question again: When did Ronald Reagan call a political opponent evil? When has Dubya done so?

Ask and answered. But you never even tried to answer my question.

Leftists think that YOU are evil, so they justify their actions by claiming a right to battle evil. You do the same thing...now, what exactly is the difference between you and them?

C'mon, Luis, You should know the answer to that: since you agree that people can be evil, then I will answer you with the following question: What's the difference between evil people (who make claims of evil about their enemy) and non-evil people (who also make claims of evil about their enemy): ANSWER: The evil ones are wrong. Duh. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

889 posted on 08/04/2004 10:01:58 PM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: I still care
"If they have debates, I hope, I hope, I hope Fox televises them. Keyes is a wonder to behold."

I agree. What great news. This will be a great race to watch. I can't think of a more perfect challenger for Barak.

890 posted on 08/04/2004 10:02:17 PM PDT by fly_so_free (Never underestimate the treachery of the democrat party- Save USA,-Vote a Dem out of office)
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To: outlawcam
"It is not for us to judge individuals as evil"

And it is not for us to mirror behavior that we consider "evil", and justify it by simply saying that we are not evil, so it's OK to do it.

891 posted on 08/04/2004 10:02:55 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Sin Patria, pero sin amo)
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To: The_Victor
Someone in the GOP with the stones to run a real conservative? Now we've got to insure that Keyes wins!

They have the 'courage' because they know they can prevent him from winning. The question is whether Keyes will be willing to go through the expense of moving so that he can run a losing campaign. The campaign would be very good for Illinois, but I would hope that if Keyes decides to run he recognizes that he will be stabbed in the back.

892 posted on 08/04/2004 10:03:05 PM PDT by supercat (If Kerry becomes President, nothing bad will happen for which he won't have an excuse.)
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To: FITZ
...I think you're right --- they would actually prefer that --- it's like we're in the Twilight Zone ---...

Yeah. Groundhog Day. Keyes once said something critical of the GOP, and that's enough for the Bots to trash him, forever after. Wouldn't you think that being asked by the party they profess to adore, to take on such a tough fight, would mean they'd cut him a little slack, just for once? Not with this bunch. The 'girls', and the girly men, love their late night sneer threads way too much.

893 posted on 08/04/2004 10:04:16 PM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup2.html)
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To: nopardons
Well,what did you expect from a kneepadded Keyster? LOL

I take it that even though you are in Chicago, you aren't part of the Illinois GOP. Are you claiming the GOP in Illinois doesn't understand what they're doing or doesn't understand Illinois politics?

894 posted on 08/04/2004 10:04:44 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: StormEye
he probably doesn't have any Thanks. It took about five column inches, but you finally answered my question about the extent of Keyes' Illinois connections.
895 posted on 08/04/2004 10:05:01 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: nopardons
I won't forgive him ! :-)

Yes. Power to the Girlie-men!

896 posted on 08/04/2004 10:06:39 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Luis Gonzalez
That's yet another lie....I object to your "logic" that would have conservatives behave like liberals in order to win political offices, and justify it by branding them "evil" for not sharing your political ideology.

Okay, so you think leftists cannot be evil and that non-leftists are the only ones who can be evil. That is certainly an illogical and odd response. Please allow me to recommend to you Irving Copi's ITRODUCTION TO LOGIC textbook.

897 posted on 08/04/2004 10:06:41 PM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
That's a load of crap; ask any raging leftist to define "evil", and they'll answer "Bush".

If they say that, they would do just out of spite. It is a straw man--not an argument and not a real answer. Ask them to really define what evil is, and you'll get a relativist answer. 99.99996% guaranteed case for a great majority of them. Ask Alan Dershowitz.

898 posted on 08/04/2004 10:07:03 PM PDT by outlawcam (No time to waste. Now get moving.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
And it is not for us to mirror behavior that we consider "evil", and justify it by simply saying that we are not evil, so it's OK to do it.

I agree completely. Evil behavior cannot be justified. It can, however, be forgiven. It isn't always, but it can be.

899 posted on 08/04/2004 10:08:30 PM PDT by outlawcam (No time to waste. Now get moving.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
tame is no different than a leftist.

That is an unusually stupid comment...even for you, Luis.

900 posted on 08/04/2004 10:09:30 PM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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