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Illinois GOP picks Alan Keyes to run against Obama!
illinoisleader.com ^ | August 4, 2004

Posted on 08/04/2004 6:13:51 PM PDT by tame

It's official! Yahoo!


TOPICS: Breaking News; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: alankeyes; alankicksbutt; classicdebates; debatesforhistory; goalan; gopprimary; historicdebates; illinois; keyes
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To: Luis Gonzalez
The people I'm speaking about are evil. The PC thought police have made you terrified of the word. I LOVE the word, and I notice that it is a good scriptural word (I guess God like the word, too).

A good example of "evil" in a sentence: Partial Birth Abortion is...evil.

Goodness, Luis, I cannot believe you are actually debating with me the fact that there are evil leftists. Please spare me the PC stuff re: the word "evil".

We don't have to be fair to EVIL.

801 posted on 08/04/2004 9:24:07 PM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: Modernman

And the DEAD and the illegals and the moved vote in Chicago.


802 posted on 08/04/2004 9:24:09 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Howlin

That's okay,then, :-)


803 posted on 08/04/2004 9:24:41 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Political ideology.

I'm still unclear on the distinction. Political ideology usually is, or should be, based on certain principles.

804 posted on 08/04/2004 9:25:19 PM PDT by outlawcam (No time to waste. Now get moving.)
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To: AppyPappy
Remember Reagan's 11th commandment.

Around here, that only seems to apply to moderate or liberal Republicans.

Conservatives are fair game. Or so it seems.

805 posted on 08/04/2004 9:25:26 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: carl in alaska

I will be happy to vote for him. Will be a fun one to watch. Even the Fitzgerald/Braun race was close, which is hard to believe considering her performance.

This is the old Paul Simon seat that no one has settled into yet. Maybe Keyes will split the Chicago vote a little and slip in. Maybe not.

It will be a barnburner.

=8-O


806 posted on 08/04/2004 9:25:54 PM PDT by loudzoo
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To: mhking

Keyes is handicapped by his late start and lack of campaign organization and residence in Illinois, but he is energetic and an extraordinary speaker who will take Baraka on directly without the hesitation and apology that would hinder a white Republican candidate. As the Republican nominee, Keyes neutralizes race as an issue and reframes the choice as liberal vs. conservative. Keyes is such a wild card that a victory is plausible even if highly unlikely. Watch for Keyes and Baraka to generate some of the best political oratory of the season.


807 posted on 08/04/2004 9:26:02 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: carl in alaska
I understand your point, but the next question is why is the race considered unwinnable? It would be winnnable by a highly qualifed candidate such as Peter Fizgerald. So why are there no highly qualified Pubbie candidates in this race? It all starts there. If you have a strong enough candidate then the GOP will provide the cash to fund your campaign. I'm going all the way back to the most fundamental reasons why we don't have a strong candidate in this race and never did. You're thinking more tactically about the current situation of trying to find someone to run right now against Obama.I think you're working from some flawed assumptions.

First of all, cash from the national parties is never about qualifications, and always about polls. It sometimes appears the other way around because states and districts that don't get funded don't attract good candidates.

Secondly, this race would not have been a cakewalk for Fitzgerald. Had he been running against anyone other than Carol Mostly Fraud in 1998 he probably would have lost. (And, just to note, he self-financed in 1998 because the party wasn't willing to spend money then either.)

Finally, we never had a great candidate, but there were several qualified, highly qualified candidates who walked away from the race because they knew that financially speaking, the well was dry. Even a small (by Senate standards) commitment of a million would have made a huge difference.

808 posted on 08/04/2004 9:26:49 PM PDT by LandOfLincolnGOP
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To: Howlin

That's the second time you gave that to me, and they were both on Keyes threads that went well over 700 posts. I think the last one was an argument over how "irrelevant" Keyes is. Well, not here, apparently. These are some of the most popular and fun threads. :)


809 posted on 08/04/2004 9:26:50 PM PDT by outlawcam (No time to waste. Now get moving.)
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To: thoughtomator
Keyes has a shot to show whether he is for real

Yes, there are several Rs that we like but that have never won a major election. Gotta be out there.

810 posted on 08/04/2004 9:27:49 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: Jorge

That too. :-)


811 posted on 08/04/2004 9:27:50 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
so why should he now expect Conservatives and regular GOPers to support him

Oh --- I'm quite sure Conservatives would vote for Keyes --- but I can see by this thread that regular GOPers would vote for a pro-abortionist like Obama just to beat out a Conservative. Who will The GOP put out in 08? Especially if they help Obama win against Keyes? There are times I think the split between Conservatives and the GOP will get too wide. It seems all Conservatives are to be despised --- like Keyes is.

812 posted on 08/04/2004 9:28:42 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: RightWhale
I believe Obama is a natural born citizen, but he is a hard core liberal, and I would like to see Alan challenge his core beliefs. Most Americans do not subscribe to hard core liberal beliefs, and Alan Keyes will have a field day exposing Obama for the ultra Liberal he is.
813 posted on 08/04/2004 9:28:43 PM PDT by MJY1288 (John Kerry Would Still Be Negotiating With the Taliban if he Was President)
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To: Hurricane Andrew
He has no chance of winning. He blasted Hitlary's run in NY, saying "how can she claim to represent them when she doesn't live there."

Was that before she made the move to New York?

This is definately a gamble. At this point the Illinois GOP had lost when Ryan pulled out. There's a small chance Keyes could pulled this off. It's a chance nevertheless.

814 posted on 08/04/2004 9:29:02 PM PDT by swheats
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To: tame
Funny, that's what the left says about the word evil as in phrases such as, oh, "evil empire" (Reagan), "axis of Evil" (Bush).

No. That's what I say when you label people who disagree with you politically as evil. Hillary's a power-hungry bitch, but she's not evil. I would have no problems, for example, letting her babysit my kids. Same with John Kerry. Or even Al Sharpton.

Goodness are you actually arguing that I'm wrong to call the left evil?!? It's exactly accurate and it's a GREAT word that I will not give up.

Call them whatever you want. But remember, neither Ronald Reagan nor George Bush have ever called their political opponents evil. Any idea why that is?

815 posted on 08/04/2004 9:29:18 PM PDT by Modernman ("I have nothing to declare except my genius." -Oscar Wilde)
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To: B Knotts
"Remember Reagan's 11th commandment." Around here, that only seems to apply to moderate or liberal Republicans. Conservatives are fair game. Or so it seems.

Mostly, I don't think Keyes is being criticized because of his conservatism.

816 posted on 08/04/2004 9:29:45 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: sinkspur
Keyes said Bush's decision was more damaging than anything that Bill Clinton, often called the villain of the right, could have done.

"The evil that you know, the evil that inspires you to fight again is not the worst evil," Keyes said.

"The worst evil creeps behind your lines and dominates your leadership."

If i may be so bold (and surely others have said this) i can fully understand how that can be understood An example: I personally do not think Bush has an evil bone in his body (any more than the rest of us do) however, bush has repeatedly asserted the patently evil philosophy that Islam and Christianity worship the same God.

I see nothing in that quote that could not be said about my example. If I wanted to warn a group of people about an evil idea taking root in the leadership of my party, I would probably have used very similar words.

Now, do I KNOW Keyes was referring to an evil philosophy - that it's okay to sacrifice human life for the "common good" of possibly curing some disease - as opposed to an evil MAN?

No, I can't prove it conclusively. But it's certainly within reason and, given that Keyes is (by reputation) a bit of a blowhard and loath to recant anything he's said before, it seems to me quite unlikely that he would have called Bush evil 3 years ago and never went back to that well again.

Perhaps the benefit of a doubt is in order.

817 posted on 08/04/2004 9:29:45 PM PDT by WillRain
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To: seamole
The term carpetbagger referred to Northerners,invading the South,after the Civil War and being elected.It really had NO relevance to stealing "wealth".

The earlier explanation was dead wrong.

818 posted on 08/04/2004 9:30:17 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Dave W
Think about it, how many candidates have you voted for that are not residents from the jurisdiction they are running for?

None. However, Alan Keyes hasn't run on my ballot. If he moved to Ohio today and ran I'd vote for him in a heartbeat.

819 posted on 08/04/2004 9:30:40 PM PDT by RockinRight (Liberalism IS the status quo)
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To: tame
Your posts are closer to the rambling of a nutjob, than to that of a thinking individual, they are the kind of garbage used to paint conservatives as fanatical idiots.

It's not about being fair to someone else, it's about being consistent to our own morals.

If a man rapes your child, you don't have the right to go rape his in return, and if you do, you're simply a rapist just like he is.

And you can't claim a right to engage in electoral fraud because they do, because all you've done is become a felon.

If you justify behaving like someone whom you yourself describe as evil, BECAUSE they are evil, all you've accomplish is becoming evil yourself.

No thanks; I'm above it.
820 posted on 08/04/2004 9:31:27 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Sin Patria, pero sin amo)
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