Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

To: Use It Or Lose It

Perhaps you can answer this question. Based on John Kerry's anti-war activities in the 70's, and his no vote to remove Saddam Hussein from Kuwait, and his pronouncement to bring the troops home quickly from Iraq, which was was Kerry's more intellectually honest vote: to authorize war OR his no vote on authorization to fund it? And why?

----

"Use It" asks an easy question. First, where did Kerry say he wants to bring home troops quickly from Iraq, in a way that was different from any normal person who OF COURSE wants to bring the troops home quickly from Iraq?

And as for Kerry's vote on funding authorization: If you know--and senators always know; that's what 'vote counting" means--that a bill is about to pass overwhelmingly, voting against it can be the only way you can protest some of its provisions. In Kerry's case it was the refusal of Bush in the $87 billion bill to ask for any sacrifice from Americans who were getting tax cuts.

What was more intellectually dishonest: that vote, or the Bush admnistration's understanding that they're asking for less money than they'll really need for Iraq?

Rick


111 posted on 08/03/2004 12:41:03 PM PDT by Perlstein
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies ]


To: Perlstein

"which was was Kerry's more intellectually honest vote: to authorize war OR his no vote on authorization to fund it? And why? "

Potentially neither ! To properly assess the intellectual honesty, one must first get some insight into Mr. Kerry's intentions. His set of beliefs is not that apparent.

"What was more intellectually dishonest: that vote, or the Bush admnistration's understanding that they're asking for less money than they'll really need for Iraq? "

Ahh, you obviously have tapped a source of knowledge not available to us simple conservatives. Which member(s) of the administration revealed their dishonesty to you? And, did you believe them?


154 posted on 08/03/2004 12:52:53 PM PDT by Big Otto (France, where Penis Envy is a national disease....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 111 | View Replies ]

To: Perlstein
Repost to Perlstein:

It began with the ascension of George Bush,

Here's your first problem. Bush did not ascend. He was ELECTED in a very close election.

Not only that he had half the transition time of other Presidents. He had the Jeffords betrayal, slowing the already slow confirmation process. The FBI director was on the job for 1 week when 9/11 occured.

Your left-wing buddies have spent the better part of Bush's entire term undermining him at every opportunity. Foreign policy and security be damned, they want POWER and are more than willing to sell out the country to get it.

M. Moore sat with J. Carter at the Dem convention. Moore is an enemy of our country. If you don't believe that please note it was just played on national TV in that bastion of leftist love, Cuba. China will show it. Hezbollah will distribute it in the Middle East.

This movie isn't just about Bush, it's about America and the damage won't go away anytime soon.

The recent convention was a "bait and switch" farce. Everyone there were on their best behavior but we've seen over the last 6 months the true feelings of the left in this country. I thank GOD everyday that liberalism is and will remain a minorityview in the U.S.

FReegards Baredog

212 posted on 08/03/2004 1:05:26 PM PDT by Mister Baredog ((Part of the Reagan legacy is to re-elect G.W. Bush))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 111 | View Replies ]

To: Perlstein
"In Kerry's case it was the refusal of Bush in the $87 billion bill to ask for any sacrifice from Americans who were getting tax cuts."

That doesn't say much good about Kerry. Lives were at stake kere. He picked an extremely innapropriate time to make a stand for principle. He should have done what the rest of the Senate Democrats do and puch his economic agenda seperately. The negative reaction to that was not the result of a Republican conspiracy, but the reactions of conservative and moderate voters to both the "Nay" vote and his stated reasons for doing it.

When does this turn into a debate?

238 posted on 08/03/2004 1:12:05 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 111 | View Replies ]

To: Perlstein
"What was more intellectually dishonest: that vote, or the Bush administration's understanding that they're asking for less money than they'll really need for Iraq?"

How about saying you were misled by the President when you sat on the Senate Intel Cmte and saw the same intel he did. How about missing 38 out of 49 Intel briefings. How about saying Saddam must be removed when Clinton was Pres and then saying we should not have gone to war under Bush. How about not submitting 1 bill in 30 years with regards to increasing security here at home (in fact tried to reduce it through cuts to the military and Intel community) and then accuse the President of not doing enough to protect us.

Who is being intellectually dishonest?
247 posted on 08/03/2004 1:15:21 PM PDT by MPJackal ("If you are not with us, you are against us.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 111 | View Replies ]

To: Perlstein
And as for Kerry's vote on funding authorization: If you know--and senators always know; that's what 'vote counting" means--that a bill is about to pass overwhelmingly, voting against it can be the only way you can protest some of its provisions. In Kerry's case it was the refusal of Bush in the $87 billion bill to ask for any sacrifice from Americans who were getting tax cuts.

This passage is pure garbage Perlstein, and you know it is. Bush gave the rich a 100% tax cut, and now those rich contribute absolutely nothing to the treasury? The rich pay more than HALF of all income taxes, and that is true even after the tax cut. Your claim now that the rich pay NO taxes is utter trash, the kind of crap usually reserved for DU. Care to produce IRS numbers that actually prove this non-point, or does your hatred of anyone with more money than you completely justify your refusal to portray them honestly in your writings? Just wondering...JFK

601 posted on 08/03/2004 3:35:21 PM PDT by BADROTOFINGER (Life sucks. Get a helmet.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 111 | View Replies ]

To: Perlstein
What was more intellectually dishonest: that vote, or the Bush admnistration's understanding that they're asking for less money than they'll really need for Iraq?

You did not answer my question. Did John Kerry show his true colors by voting FOR the war or AGAINST the funding?

By the way, Kerry's suggestion is that the troops will come home before the country is secure and in the hands of a capable Iraqi force (i.e., The French will do it.)

638 posted on 08/03/2004 3:49:27 PM PDT by Use It Or Lose It
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 111 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson