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Posted on 07/27/2004 10:39:55 AM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican
Boston, Mass — Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., son of the late senator and nephew of the late president, told an audience in Cambridge, Mass. Monday that President Bush has brought fascism to America.
Kennedy appeared at a forum, "Books, Politics, and the Culture War," sponsored by the Harvard Book Store and the Progressive Book Club. A longtime environmentalist, he delivered an extended criticism of the Bush administration's environmental policies before alleging that the president has, in effect, created a fascist system of government in America.
"I was taught that Communism leads to dictatorship and that capitalism leads to democracy," Kennedy told the audience at the First Parish Church. "Well, it's not that simple." Free-market capitalism, Kennedy explained, does in fact lead to democracy, but "corporate, crony capitalism," which Kennedy said is practiced by the Bush administration, "is as antithetical to democracy in America as it is in Nigeria."
"You have to understand the difference between free-market capitalism...and the kind of corporate crony capitalism where you have large corporations running our government," Kennedy said. "There's a name for that, and the name is fascism."
The overwhelmingly left-leaning crowd, many of whom had come to Boston for the Democratic National Convention, began to cheer loudly. Kennedy finished his point by citing the American Heritage Dictionary, which he said "defines 'fascism' as the control of government by large corporations with right-wing ideology, driven by bellicose nationalism." That, Kennedy said, is the situation America is in today under the Bush administration. The crowd broke into even louder cheers — the most enthusiastic of the event.
Monday was not the first time that Kennedy has suggested the Bush administration has fascist tendencies. Last December, in an interview with the left-wing website Buzzflash, Kennedy said, "A farmer sent me a copy of the American Heritage Dictionary's definition of fascism the other day, and the definition is roughly that the control of government by large corporations with right-wing ideologies, driven by bellicose nationalism. That has a familiar ring these days."
For the record, the American Heritage Dictionary, as available on the web, includes the phrase "belligerent nationalism" but does not include references to corporations or "right-wing ideology."
At the First Parish Church, Kennedy's fellow panelists were novelist Toni Morrison, Clinton loyalist Sidney Blumenthal, and anti-Bush radio host Al Franken. The discussion was moderated by Joe Conason. Although the session was advertised as an examination of the role of books in politics, much of the time was devoted to denunciations of the Bush administration, coupled with admonitions for the audience to vote for John Kerry this November.
For example, during the question-and-answer part of the program, a woman rose to say that she had been very involved in the presidential campaign of Dennis Kucinich. She was now trying to decide whether to vote for Kerry, she said, but "Since I got here [Boston], I feel worse and worse about making that choice." She was particularly unhappy with Kerry's position on the war in Iraq.
"What am I going to do?" the woman asked.
"You're going to vote for Kerry," Franken told her.
"You should make the correct choice, and it's a very simple and easy one," added Conason.
And they don't govern worth a crap, either.......
The left knows this:
http://www.akpress.org/mainpage/35/60
The Road To Fascism: The Rise Of Italian Fascism And Its Relation To Anarchism, Syndicalism And Socialism
An essay exploring the origins of fascism (while touching on National Socialism and other Latin forms), and its connections to the revolutionary Left - Mussolini, after all, translated Kropotkin into Italian, and the Nazis were the National Socialist German Workers Party.
Still waiting for some proof that you are correct. (...crickets...)
Until then I will choose to believe a dictionary over an annonomous poster on a political internet forum.
well, you could cease your self-satisfied indolence and check an older dictionary - one less influenced by the tendency of this increasingly effeminate society to prefer unetymological euphemism over correct descriptors, one less perverted by over fifty years of leftist dominance in academe, and one which lists the root language and traces the word's etymological history of meaning and evolution.
Your argument runs thusly: If sufficient numbers of people begin to use the noise-set "Gah-gah-goo-goo" to refer to the set of actions (or the concept pertaining thereunto) of "putting a man to death" in common parlance, then that noise-set is a legitimate English word with that denotation, irrespective of its lack of pertinent etymological history of meaning and of its possession of a quite different etymological history of meaning.
As for me, I call it sloppy baby talk, and I really don't care how many people use it improperly - it remains improper use.
Again: one does not execute a person - that is a nonsensical phrase.
One executes a plan, a series of actions, a set of instructions, or a sentence.
If that sentence is one of death, then one KILLS a person.
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I never heard someone use so many words to say:
"I don't have anything to back up what I said on my first post" as what you just did.
But don't worry. I got your message.
You don't have any justification for your use of the English language other than your own busy mind.
Oh, I have plenty to back up what I have posted.
But you will not buy it unless you look it up for yourself.
Get busy.
Yeah, right.
Either put up or shut up (and go conjugate yourself while you are at it)
no, I shall do neither.
I shall suggest to you that you should examine the definitions from the AHD which you yourself posted.
(I shall also, for your benefit, explain that "etymology" is the study of words and their origins, or an account of the origin and development of a word and its meanings)
Look at them carefully, and note how the first four definitions are obviously linked in derivation and denotation.
Then note how the last definition, the one I contest, has absolutely no denotative connection with the previous four.
Simple rational analysis on your part should suggest to you that something etymologically screwy was required to append that unrelated definition to the others.
Now, when you dig up an older dictionary, as described earlier - one which lists the root language (latin) and gives examples of recorded use - I shall gladly open up my Oxford Latin Dictionary and explain to you how a 2500 year stable history of meaning is not abrogated by a modern limp-wristed and sloppy tendency towards euphemism, no matter how commonplace that trend might be.
Let me guess: You are one of those hapless creatures who holds the word "art" to be synonymous with the word "artwork", aren't you?
Then quit bugging me.
You may be impressed with yourself, but I'm not.
quit replying in belligerence, and I shall quit "bugging you"
I shall NEVER accept "everyone is doin' it" as an excuse for slovenly speech and thought.
Note: this topic is from 7/27/2004. Thanks Southside_Chicago_Republican."I was taught that Communism leads to dictatorship and that capitalism leads to democracy," Kennedy told the audience at the First Parish Church. "Well, it's not that simple." Free-market capitalism, Kennedy explained, does in fact lead to democracy, but "corporate, crony capitalism," which Kennedy said is practiced by the Bush administration, "is as antithetical to democracy in America as it is in Nigeria."Gosh, that sounds like many a FINO. Wonder what the connection is?
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