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Desperadoes (NYT on Ronstadt)
New York Times ^ | 7/21/04 | New York Times

Posted on 07/20/2004 9:43:45 PM PDT by conservative in nyc

Desperadoes


Published: July 21, 2004

Something went awry at the Aladdin Hotel in Las Vegas last Saturday night. Linda Ronstadt did what she has done at several concerts across the country this summer. She dedicated the song "Desperado"- an encore - to Michael Moore and urged members of the audience to go see his new movie, "Fahrenheit 9/11."

Elsewhere, audiences have reacted to the mention of Mr. Moore by cheering, booing, walking out and sometimes glaring at one another in parking lots. At the Aladdin, a few audience members tore down posters, threw drinks and demanded their money back. According to one person who was present - William Timmins, the Aladdin's president - it was "a very ugly scene." Mr. Timmins promptly made it even uglier. He had Ms. Ronstadt ejected from the premises.

This behavior assumes that Ms. Ronstadt had no right to express a political opinion from the stage. It implies - for some members of the audience at least - that there is a philosophical contract that says an artist must entertain an audience only in the ways that audience sees fit. It argues, in fact, that an artist like Ms. Ronstadt does not have the same rights as everyone else.

Perhaps her praise for Mr. Moore, even at the very end of her show, did ruin the performance for some people. They have a right to voice their disapproval - to express their opinion as Ms. Ronstadt expressed hers and to ask for a refund. But if their intemperate behavior began to worry the management, then they were the ones who should have been thrown out and told never to return, not Ms. Ronstadt, who threatened, after all, only to sing.


TOPICS: Editorial
KEYWORDS: fatboy; lindaisafatpig; michaelmoore; moore; ronstadt; slimes; spin
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To: conservative in nyc
...and Michael Savage, fired from MSNBC for wishing AIDS on a gay caller.

Except that the caller was not gay, the caller was a vindictive prank caller who was baiting Mr. Savage, Mr. Savage said "drop dead" to the caller 3 ways "Choke on a sausage" (he was cooking sausage on the tv show), get food poisoning from undercooked pork, and get AIDS. All are horrible ways to die. Only one of those deaths is "politically" protected (AIDS). Mr. Savage also thought that the program had cut off as he dealt with the prank caller.

41 posted on 07/20/2004 10:27:15 PM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: conservative in nyc

Twenty years ago I was part of a folk music duo. We were banned from a coffeehouse gig, where we had previously been a favorite act, because we praised President Reagan from the stage. We honestly had no idea that we were being controversial. We were very politically naive at that time. We didn't know the difference between a liberal and a conservative, we only knew that Reagan was a great president. We had no idea that coffeehouse audiences were liberal, and that liberals hated Reagan AND those who loved him. Anyhow, we soon learned to read our audiences and figure out what we could and could not say at different venues. VFWs were great - we could praise Reagan all day long there.


42 posted on 07/20/2004 10:27:44 PM PDT by wontbackdown
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To: JennysCool
I loved the claim about her that she has sold 50,000,000 records. Really? She has outsold Aerosmith? Sounds like she has the same beancounter and Bill Clinton with his 1,000,000 books sold in the first weekend (turned out that his first month didn't each reach that month).

If you get paid to sing, then sing. People didn't get a notice when they bought their ticket that this was going to be a fundraiser for Michael Moore. If they had, then they would have no right to complain. Otherwise, F Linda Rondstadt and F the NY Times.

Just as a means of full disclosure, I knew Linda Rondstadt and I don't like her. I grew up in Tucson, just as she did. I am about ten years younger than her and she actually a friend of two of my aunts who babysat me at one time. Her parents were a fairly prominent family in Tucson so she was fairly well taken care of. She has been a primadonna since she was a child. While her family was not super wealthy, they were business owners and the pillars of the community type. Her parents many business and social connections must have given her the mistaken impression that she was very important early on in her life. And somehow, she just hasn't been disabused of that mistaken belief. Her parents were very good people though.

43 posted on 07/20/2004 10:27:45 PM PDT by bpjam (I don't know what a neo-con is and neither does anybody else.)
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To: JmyBryan
I'm truly surprised they printed this.

You were? :-) New to reading the New York Times, eh?

Seriously, it is so assinine. You'd think they'd be trying to regain their credibility (or gain it, however you want to look at it). This is one of the worst of the worst when it comes to intellectual honesty.

44 posted on 07/20/2004 10:27:53 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: conservative in nyc
that there is a philosophical contract that says an artist must entertain an audience only in the ways that audience sees fit.

I think you might infer that if you buy a ticket to a singer's concert that you will hear music ... not political commentary. If otherwise they should so state. I do not want my plumber, auto detailer, grocery checkout person or gardener bloviating.

45 posted on 07/20/2004 10:28:55 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (Must get moose and squirrel ... B. Badanov)
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To: cartoonistx

Well when I saw the Pretenders, they played the theme to the Rush Limbaugh Radio Show (and the conservatives in the crowd dug it)...






and yes, I know that he uses a Pretenders' song.


46 posted on 07/20/2004 10:29:38 PM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: conservative in nyc

Desparado--I know that tune...

Linda Rondstadt
why don't you come to your senses?
You've been out eating french fries for so long.
Oh you're a lard butt,
and I know that you like your treason
the things that are pleasing you will hurt us in the end.

Don't you fawn on the King of lying Moore, he'll eat you if he's able
You know your singing voice is always your best bet.
It seems that a divine sing is where you are most able
So why you speak of things that you don't get?





47 posted on 07/20/2004 10:29:54 PM PDT by Our man in washington
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To: conservative in nyc
But if their intemperate behavior began to worry the management, then they were the ones who should have been thrown out and told never to return, not Ms. Ronstadt, who threatened, after all, only to sing.

Shouldn't that decision be left up to the management? IF they have paid for a service they did not receive, they have a right to terminate don't they?

48 posted on 07/20/2004 10:30:45 PM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: wontbackdown

The blacklist against conservative entertainers has done a lot to silence conservatives in that industry. I don't just mean from the stage, I mean that they won't open their mouths about their politics in interviews or campaign appearances because it could mean being out of work.

There are conservatives who are so well respected and big enough box office that they still get work but there is a blacklist.


49 posted on 07/20/2004 10:33:07 PM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: conservative in nyc

The people at the hotel didn't go to the concert to hear a freaking advertisment from Linda Ronstadt about some stupid ugly white mans new 'movie'. Has Linda no shame?


50 posted on 07/20/2004 10:35:03 PM PDT by Born in a Rage
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To: weegee
MSNBC had every right to fire Savage. It's their channel.

But it's curious how the Slimes thinks there's no "philosophical contract that says" a liberal singer, like Linda Ronstadt, "must entertain an audience only in the ways that audience sees fit", but the media should not hire the likes of Rush and Savage because of their "extreme" views. I guess there's some "philosophical contract" that says liberals may express their views without repercussions, but conservatives may not.

More double standards from the Slimes.
51 posted on 07/20/2004 10:36:18 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: martin_fierro
I'd say you'd hang around until the crowd, finding out your political leanings, started throwing everything in the lunchroom, the kitchen, and called the leftist goon squad to whoop up on your arse, spray you with mace, cuff you, and beat you with those 4 size "D" battery flashlights.

My guess, unless you called for backup from the Hooligan Biker list, the Viking Kitties, and the Tryanny Response Team, would be about a New York Minute...

LOL!

52 posted on 07/20/2004 10:37:30 PM PDT by JDoutrider (In God We Trust...)
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To: JennysCool

"At the Aladdin, a few audience members tore down posters, threw drinks and demanded their money back."

What a waste of a good drink....


53 posted on 07/20/2004 10:41:54 PM PDT by wolficatZ (__><)))*>__\0/___/|_____)
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To: doug from upland

Absotively, and WELL said. Get our good friend Congressman BillyBob to draw up a contract along those lines!


54 posted on 07/20/2004 10:48:13 PM PDT by SAJ (Buy 1 NGH05 7.75 call, Sell 3 NGH05 11.00 calls against, for $750-900 net credit OB. Stone lock.)
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To: conservative in nyc

If I hired entertainers for my business, I would expect them to entertain and not piss off my clientele. Of course the socialists at the NYT cannot comprehend this.


55 posted on 07/20/2004 10:48:31 PM PDT by Crispy
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To: conservative in nyc
Exactly. Who keeps endorsing Democratic presidential candidates? The New York Times editors invoke the First Amendment to be liberals but they deny the public the right to hold a contrary opinion as re Linda Ronstadt. More arrogance from our liberal media elites. Fortunately, the times are changing.
56 posted on 07/20/2004 11:00:43 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: conservative in nyc
It implies - for some members of the audience at least - that there is a philosophical contract that says an artist must entertain an audience only in the ways that audience sees fit.

Uh, no, ya simple bung-hole - - it implies that an artist must entertain an audience the way the people are hired the artist and are writing the check see fit.

57 posted on 07/20/2004 11:04:08 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: conservative in nyc

(That last post, #57, was obviously directed at the NYT, not you.)

BTTT

Regards,
LH


58 posted on 07/20/2004 11:06:03 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: conservative in nyc
Yes MSNBC is able to fire any staffers they want. There is a double standard when it comes to outbursts. Nina Totenberg at Public Radio NPR has said that if there is any justice Jesse Helms or one of his grandkids will get AIDS.

Michael Savage was targeted by the caller. I doubt it was even the first such attempt to goad Mr. Savage. The caller screener was negligent and the program producer was also lax. I doubt that Michael Savage got to bring his own crew onboard for all positions.

Meanwhile at ESPN, Hunter S. Thompson still works and spouts politics. He disappeared for awhile after claiming that the images from Abu Ghraib under American control were worse than the most revolting attrocity committed by Nazi Germany. He said that IN his ESPN column.

59 posted on 07/20/2004 11:08:17 PM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: wolficatZ

Maybe they were comped...


60 posted on 07/20/2004 11:10:21 PM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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