Must be an election year.
Posted on 07/16/2004 5:34:53 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
Congressman John Culverson just stated he has just received informantion from Southern District U.S. Attorney Michael Shelby (Texas)that Al Quida members have been entering from our southern border and have been entering through Texas and blending into towns....He stated this was classified and he given the OK to release this information.
The congressman may be a former congress memeber, I didn't hear his complete title. He is on KFI Los Angeles now.
Must be an election year.
>>Is Roberts out of California?<<
I'm not sure. But I like him. He seems to be pretty level-headed and tempered (who ISN'T, compared to Savage?)
Taken at face value, his report on Asa Hutchinson, someone I used to hold in high esteem, was a major disappointment.
It's a topsy-turvy world, ain't it?
Check out post #209...
"THAT thread" is sure right......searching the archives (Joe Baca, CA) pulls up NO THREADS. Here in E. Texas we don't get much news about him. ('til lately, I'd never heard of him). Still no reason for Dane (or anyone) to litter up other threads, stalk & demand other posters talk about this Baca.
If you or Dane want to talk about Baca, post the threads & get the immigrant lists pinged.
What I did say is that you and a couple of others seem not to have an affinity for criticizing Joe Baca -- on this thread.
Put up a thread to tell me WHAT to criticize Baca about........Dane only litters up threads with "What about Baca", "Let's talk about Baca".
To my knowledge no one mentioned Baca on this thread until Dane did. (unless it was being discuss on the live show) however no others posters were mentioning Baca either.
Leaving our southern border unprotected makes no sense whatsoever, we agree on that. But the fallout from securing the border..sealing it, whatever, however, is profound. The least of which, I think, is our on again off again relationship with Mexico and its hapless citizens. I'm thinking back to how we were right after Sept. 11. Widespread shock and panic, rage, all of that. The airline industry in a tailspin, along with the rest of the economy, and what we do affects the entire world, although we'd prefer to believe otherwise. (Every country has the right to seal its borders, protect its citizens and homeland from attack, etc.). But when we contemplate even putting a toe in that water, the rest of the world has a heart attack. We sneeze and they get pneumonia, unfortunately. This is why they're so terrified of us.
Well, that's another subject. Sealing our borders will eventually become a reality, like it or not. Canada hasn't got the manpower or willpower to protect their side or itself. I read here somewhere they have a secret deal with us that if things get dicey, we're supposed to go in and save them. Nice treaty, I guess, nice if you can get it, not so nice that the American people don't have a clue this is our responsibility along with everything else.
Well, here comes the draft soon after Nov. I don't think Kerry, were he to win, would institute it as fast as Bush will. Bush has nothing to lose and everything to gain with the draft. Okay, it's not popular, certainly, but leaky borders and murderous Muslims pouring through is unthinkable. And it's happening right now, so we hold our collective breath, cross our fingers, and pray like crazy.
Agreed that many conservatives have taken umbrage with GW's apparent lack of interest in our southern border. It's such a no brainer, though, that protecting it is vital to national security, that you have to wonder what the heck is going on. That he was gov. of Texas hits you right between the eyes. Cozy relationship with Fox, etc..
But that's no longer his job description and he damn well knows it. He's said in fact that when he gets up in the morning, his only reason for being Pres. is to protect the US. So he must be ordering other, secret methods of border security.
The balancing act he had to perform after 9/11 was profound. How to get everyone to live and produce as normally as possible, no wide spread panic, please, keep the economy afloat, etc.. All the while he got busy preparing to send troops to war in the enemy's lair. Mistakes were made, and clamping down on the border big time seems to be a glaring one. So stupid, though, elementary. That's why I keep thinking stuff was done we don't know about.
That movie, Enemy of the State, with Will Smith and Gene Hackman. The technical widgets shown are scary, mind boggling, and I believe pretty much on target as to present day capability. Also, Clinton decimated our ability to infiltrate enemy cells, because he and Hill thought that was nasty, dirty business. So no more walking around money for informants, etc..
That's all changed, and not a moment too soon. And I forget where I was going with this. Nuts. I was working around to my theory that GW had to be acting secretly to secure the borders without scaring the populace. Well, after Nov. if he's reelected, it won't matter. He can and should order whatever it takes and pronto.
So did I.
I like the way he hammered those "Latino activist" groups.
I can't imagine why..
:o
I believe only a psychiatrist could explain Dane's fixation on mentioning Joe Baca's name in post after post, on thread after thread.
The Bush administration has taken extraordinary measures to secure our borders. What most racists really object to is his amnesty proposals, which have absolutely nothing to do with border patrols.
75 posted on 07/09/2004 10:07:32 PM PDT by bayourod
You are joking right?
Hmmm....
"Profound" in what way? Positively, negatively, what are you driving at?
Negative for Mexico? They have sufficient oil wealth to straighten out their own social problems. How did paying the bill for their past mistakes become our responsibility?
Please elaborate.
Maybe I've missed something, but I see only positives, for the U.S. Taxpayers, as a result of securing our borders and motivating the illegal aliens to deport themselves.
I suppose it depends on whether the person making the decisions still believes the United States to be a proud, free, independent, sovereign Nation of laws or believes it to be a door mat for Marxist, 3rd world, open borders, one-worlder leeches to wipe their feet on.
As long as some food companies lower their cost of goods sold, its all worth it.(sarcasm off)
WHAM
when I wrote that the fallout from securing the border would be profound, I meant both positively and negatively. The negative side:liberal fellow citizens, the ACLU, and other gad flies, for lack of a better word, will scream about the loss of liberty, right to travel without cumbersome and odious security checks, identity papers that smack of Nazi Germany, etc.. I can hear them now. They and their allies, the media, would denounce any republican admin. that established a secure border, and we'd hear about it morning, noon, and night. They're the people who'd argue about rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic, and frankly, this is already happening -- fabricated outrage about the 'alleged prison atrocities'.
Securing the borders would mean we'd have to stop playing games about who the enemy is and confront the fact that a worldwide religion is hellbent on destroying this country. No more figleaf about Islam as the religion of peace. This would mean Muslims already here as citizens would have to do what? Register as possible enemies? Be incarcerated in internment camps? We already did that with Japanese in WW2, and the dirty secret is that some were traitors. Some owed allegiance to the emperor, others were blackmailed into spying or committing sabotage. Relatives in Japan would die if they didn't cooperate.
Positive fallout from having a secure border is obvious. I wasn't thinking so much about the Mexican invasion and subsequent mind-boggling cost to the US taxpayers. I was thinking about Islamofascist maniacs sneaking in and blending with Hispanics already here and how the country would deal with the changes psychologically. This would be real isolationism. Don't get me wrong. I'm a true blue isolationist at heart. I was terrified of NAFTA, and I was right. Globalization, the export of capitalism to the third world, is supposed to bring them into the modern world and establish new markets for business. All well and good on paper, but there have been a few potholes like goodbye manufacturing base, goodbye God knows how many more companies, offshoring of jobs -- the country's life blood running like a cut artery. And we're supposed to think up new products, invent new industries in the twinkling of an eye.
I have a real fear that the loss or even the perception that we've lost some of our freedoms will affect us in ways we can't imagine. Like our ability to believe we can be whoever we want, do whatever we like, go wherever we please, and that the only limits to what we accomplish in this life are those we place upon ourselves. That's in the very air we breathe, it's mother's milk for Americans. In some ways it's intangible, so all the more fragile. If we believe we have to live barricaded against the world, there's no doubt that we suffer. Unfortunately, it looks as if there's no alternative. Unless we secure our borders and can tell the good guys from the bad guys already here, we're doomed.
Okay, hmmmm. That's my point. A lot of security measures must remain secret from us or else whoever's trying to get here by hook or by crook finds out and circumvents the barrier. So part of GW's problem is that security measures don't get publicity unless the govt. decides for some reason to let us in on what's going on. Meanwhile we have Fox and company screaming and yelling about their rights to come here when and if they please, and we should support them cradle to grave, and smile while US sovereignty is violated each and every day.
And here's another deep seated fear, guys. Right after the cold war ended, the big boys, banks, movers and shakers, CFR, David Rockefeller, et al, met somewhere nice and warm for a big conference to decide how to reshape the world in the most positive way possible for business, for this country, for everyone whose lives they were busy meddling with. No tinfoil hat alert. This really happened, and what we got next was NAFTA. Then globalization, talk of the third way, remember that? Clinton(when he was relevant), and Blair were pushing that at one of those G-7 meetings in Europe. You know what happened after that. Jobs by the hundreds of thousands went to Mexico, then India, Thailand, etc.. Management and computer software people didn't much care about blue collar, union jobs, but oh the screams when they got hit. Then it became a problem and we had Ph.D.'s taking orders at McDonald's.
Okay, Europe was already deciding to form the European Union, and we had talk of a trade free zone in this hemisphere, from Canada's northernmost border to that Cape of whateveritis down at the southernmost tip of South America. Free trade is just a few steps away from no borders, my friends. That's where they were heading. One world, everyone a citizen of the world. No more war, everyone productive, sane, happy, peaceloving. Only nobody remembered Islamofascists and bin Laden and his pals who were already blowing up whatever took their fancy.
As for this hemisphere, a few years ago an enterprising reporter interviewed some unhappy Costa Ricans, who announced they were going to walk north to the US and not stop until they got there-- several thousand Costa Ricans. Once they arrived in the US, they weren't leaving. They'd had it with hurricanes and poverty and corruption. So several thousand of them did exactly that, and now they're here along with God knows how many more millions of hapless Mexicans, Brazilians, etc..
I'm one small person in MA, and every day I see Brazilians and Mexicans and other Central and South American faces newly arrived and barely able to get along in English. They're taking orders at Wendy's, cleaning houses, acting as nannies, lawn care workers, they're working in factories, they start up minimarts. They're working and paying taxes. And boy, they're all driving new cars, shiny SUV's. I guess this is the small business loan thingy. These are the ones with green cards. Unless forged. The ones I see look as if they want to assimilate and become Americans.
In fact, that's the point. The entire world wants to be America, whether they acknowledge this or not. Even crackpot Muslims want what we have, they just don't like us and the way we think and live. They think if they can take over and reshape the place into an Islamofascist paradise, everything will be fine. When Muslims start blowing up Europe on a weekly basis, plus outbreeding local Christians, how long before even the French and Germans head over here? Australia's an option, too, but they're probably tougher on immigration. Asians have already streamed west, for Canada, for the US. Remember Hong Kong? We have wave after wave of oppressed or wretched people coming here, some legally, most not. How can we possibly accept them all? Especially when mixed in are God knows how many homicidal maniacs owing allegiance to Allah.
Well, forget the terrorism angle, what I was complaining about was the loss of our sovereignty, our right to maintain our borders, to protect US citizens. They, the big boys, thought up this Utopian scheme where you could do away with borders in this hemisphere because good jobs and a decent life would be available everywhere. Nice if you can get it, but life isn't that simple.
You can rightly blame Hagel, etc., but if the next terrorist attack is perpetrated by individuals who came in through the southern border - that attack will have GWB's name all over it. No excuses, no rationales: ALL GWB.
You're right -- with money they can easily buy just about any Mexican official and obtain easy entry into the USA --- matricula cards have already been sold on the streets. They'll ride over the border in luxury unlike the impoverished Mexicans being so held down by their government they'll leave any way they can.
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