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Buckley Sounds off on marijuana
National Review ^ | William F. Buckley

Posted on 07/13/2004 3:59:12 PM PDT by Piedra79

Conservatives pride themselves on resisting change, which is as it should be. But intelligent deference to tradition and stability can evolve into intellectual sloth and moral fanaticism, as when conservatives simply decline to look up from dogma because the effort to raise their heads and reconsider is too great. The laws aren't exactly indefensible, because practically nothing is, and the thunderers who tell us to stay the course can always find one man or woman who, having taken marijuana, moved on to severe mental disorder. But that argument, to quote myself, is on the order of saying that every rapist began by masturbating. General rules based on individual victims are unwise. And although there is a perfectly respectable case against using marijuana, the penalties imposed on those who reject that case, or who give way to weakness of resolution, are very difficult to defend.

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To: Old Professer
WFB has passed the point where he would be a candidate for stem-cell therapy.

Be that as it may, he's held the position on decriminalization for decades.

It's more like a liberal to attack the messenger and to argue emotions and personalities rather than argue an issue on the merits.

21 posted on 07/13/2004 4:18:55 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: Doe Eyes

If you want to smoke Pot in the confine of your own home it's nobody's business not the government not anyone what the heck is the difference if you have a cocktail or hit off your pipe nothing...


22 posted on 07/13/2004 4:19:57 PM PDT by missyme
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To: Piedra79

This is an easy one. It has been obvious for some time that the War on Drugs is doing more damage to America than the drugs, themselves, could ever do.

When Prohibition was repealed, one of the major reasons for the repeal was to reclaim the streets from the booze gangs. And when Prohibition was repealed, it was discovered that almost every politician, judge, police commissioner in the country had been on the take. When the WOD is repealed, we are going to find official corruption that makes Prohibition look like a Sunday picnic.

Incidentally, those booze gangs are still in operation 70 years later. How long will the drug gangs be around?


23 posted on 07/13/2004 4:20:33 PM PDT by edger (A)
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To: headsonpikes

what is SBR?


24 posted on 07/13/2004 4:22:17 PM PDT by Piedra79
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To: Strategerist

"Problem with FR is the WOD types assume everyone favoring the legalization of marijuana is a long-haired hippy pot smoker."

But some are short-haired conservative hard-working people whose choice of intoxicants conflicts with the law. There are millions of regular pot smokers who no one would ever suspect unless you told them.


25 posted on 07/13/2004 4:23:36 PM PDT by -YYZ-
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To: Piedra79
I encourage you to continue to post and discuss on FR. The fact that you are engaged in "finding" your point-of-view almost guarantees to me that you will be free of knee-jerkery. That's a good thing.

Friendly critique of your post. Encourage you to clicking on the Help link for FR and read about posting. As it says there, in your thread title, you should include the title of the original title.

Don't leave stuff off, like the Jr. at the end of William F. Buckley Jr. It is almost always better not to abbreviate. Put "National Review Online" as the source of the article. There is a difference between NR and NRO. I am not at all averse to excerpting, like some here, but it is not appropriate to excerpt articles from NRO.

26 posted on 07/13/2004 4:25:06 PM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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To: missyme
If you want to smoke Pot in the confine of your own home it's nobody's business not the government not anyone what the heck is the difference if you have a cocktail or hit off your pipe nothing...

I'm with you. We have enough real crimes, without creating any new ones.

Because of the nature of my work, I don't indulge in any illegal substances.

27 posted on 07/13/2004 4:25:28 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: Piedra79

SBR is the smokey back room. It's the forum for threads that become heated, etc. The moderators can move threads to the other forums.


28 posted on 07/13/2004 4:29:29 PM PDT by glock rocks (I want to be herd !!)
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To: Katya
I tried marijuana once.

It made me want to rape and kill.

/sarcasm off/

29 posted on 07/13/2004 4:45:29 PM PDT by capt. norm (Rap is to music what the Etch-A-Sketch is to art.)
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To: Senator Pardek
You'll find that almost every pro-WOD poster here is either an ex-druggie or has lost someone to drugs. Bless them - but their views are other than emotionless and unbiased.

In addition...

You'll find that every pro-drug poster here is either a current user or has never lost someone to drugs (or doesn't care if they did). Bless them - but their views are other than emotionless and unbiased.

30 posted on 07/13/2004 4:52:14 PM PDT by avenir (Information overload = Pattern recognition)
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To: avenir

With one exception, and he is much much less the Drug Warrior he used to be, if at all, the Drug Warriors NEVER EVER show up at freeps. They are either mall cap wannabes, or on the WoD gravy train themselves.

Face it: nobody likes a narc.


31 posted on 07/13/2004 4:58:55 PM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite, it's almost worth defending.)
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To: El Gato
Legalizing pot is intractable; the gateway exists on the punishment side, not the entryway.

The WOD is an industry.

32 posted on 07/13/2004 4:59:34 PM PDT by Old Professer (Interests in common are commonly abused.)
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To: avenir
You'll find that every pro-drug poster here is either a current user or has never lost someone to drugs (or doesn't care if they did). Bless them - but their views are other than emotionless and unbiased.

Agreed - but you'll be hard-pressed to find a single "pro-drug" poster here.

33 posted on 07/13/2004 5:01:37 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: avenir

You'll probably find that every WOD type here has never lost someone for 15 years in prison for a "crime" with no victim other than the user himself.


34 posted on 07/13/2004 5:05:39 PM PDT by MeanFreePath
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To: Spackidagoosh

Bill understands some things far better than others


35 posted on 07/13/2004 5:07:47 PM PDT by The Wizard (Democrats: enemies of America)
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To: Spackidagoosh
Unfortunately, I can't remember what Buckley just said.

What was it, again? :)

36 posted on 07/13/2004 5:09:37 PM PDT by Reactionary
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To: edger
And when Prohibition was repealed, it was discovered that almost every politician, judge, police commissioner in the country had been on the take. When the WOD is repealed, we are going to find official corruption that makes Prohibition look like a Sunday picnic.

As soon as Prohibition was repealed, all the crooked pols confessed?

37 posted on 07/13/2004 5:12:05 PM PDT by Restorer
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To: eno_

The whole WoD/narc/drug warrior approach to discussing this issue is pure hyperbole when dealing with normal persons who happen to disagree with decriminalizing marijuana use. It's Reefer Madness in reverse, and silly.

I have known many pot smokers. Not ONE has ever been blown out with the police by a narc. I have known of a couple of dealers who got nabbed, but they were far into the drug trade and it wasn't mainly for pot (usually cocaine or methamphetamine).

This is merely my experience, and doesn't "prove" anything--except that, for myself, the overblown lingo used to attack people who disagree with legalization is a bunch of B.S.


38 posted on 07/13/2004 5:14:39 PM PDT by avenir (Information overload = Pattern recognition)
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To: Piedra79

Buckley has long held this position. Nothing new. More skewed thinking.


39 posted on 07/13/2004 5:16:54 PM PDT by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: avenir
It's Reefer Madness in reverse, and silly.

It's no sillier than some of the things John Walters says about it. The difference is, we're paying him to say it.

40 posted on 07/13/2004 5:19:51 PM PDT by tacticalogic ( Controlled application of force is the sincerest form of communication.)
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