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Karina: Am I Conservative, Rush?
RushLimbaugh.com ^ | July 9, 2004 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 07/12/2004 6:49:26 AM PDT by wmichgrad

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To: dfwgator

From the Department of Education:

What is a Federal Pell Grant?

A Federal Pell Grant, unlike a loan, does not have to be repaid. Generally, Pell Grants are awarded only to undergraduate students who have not earned a bachelor's or professional degree. (A professional degree is usually earned after earning a bachelor's degree in a field such as medicine, law, or dentistry.) In some cases, you might receive a Pell Grant for attending a post-baccalaureate teacher certificate program.


21 posted on 07/12/2004 7:59:11 AM PDT by mastequilla
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To: mastequilla; dfwgator
She'll never pay back the daycare dollars either. Her government reward for being an unwed mother. One of my wife's friends is doing the same.

Rush did seem to condone what she was doing. I'm just glad she is looking beyond it and has hope of changing.

22 posted on 07/12/2004 8:01:29 AM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (If the Rapture is coming, should I insist on a non-Christian pilot?)
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To: dfwgator

A Pell grant is a grant, you don't have to pay that back.


23 posted on 07/12/2004 8:02:35 AM PDT by rudypoot (Rat line = Routes that foreign fighters use to enter Iraq.)
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To: mastequilla

Ok you got me there, but at least it is for self-improvement, unlike regular welfare. But with the education she gets, she will (hopefully) make more money, which will mean that the government will get more in taxes from her. So in the end, it is an investment.


24 posted on 07/12/2004 8:03:05 AM PDT by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy
"She actually had not thought about where the money comes from"

The clearest way to present the concept of so called "wealth redistribution", is to ask the socialists/lib if they would EVER go into their neighbors house and steal money out of their wallet--and when they say NO, then come back with "then why do you want to send the government out to do it for you?" (same with their no-guns stance--they don't want to own or support "the right to bear arms" but have no problem with depending on someone else with a weapon to defend them.(police/military))

25 posted on 07/12/2004 8:03:35 AM PDT by two23
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To: dfwgator

I heard the call. He handled it masterfully. What was he supposed to do, get in her face and call her a leach? No, this was classic evangelism, if I may dare say it. Find the common ground, a point of agreement, and work forward gently from there. A conservative is born. Like I said, masterful.


26 posted on 07/12/2004 8:07:17 AM PDT by Warren_Piece (Just thinkin' about women and glasses of beer.)
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To: mastequilla
There is a chain of government benefits that does not begin or end with Pell grants for education.Much of our governmental system is a jobs program . And very high pay at that. Karina is accessing government help that will still be there whether she uses it or not. She is on her way to being a knowledgeable citizen and that is a plus for all of us.
27 posted on 07/12/2004 8:08:53 AM PDT by dasein64 (America the beautiful-----Land of the free and home of the brave)
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To: dfwgator

"But with the education she gets, she will (hopefully) make more money, which will mean that the government will get more in taxes from her. So in the end, it is an investment."

I agree. There's a big difference between a Pell Grant and monthly welfare checks. With an education, hopefully she'll be able to make more of a contribution to society.

Sounds like it was a great call. Kudos, Rush!


28 posted on 07/12/2004 8:10:51 AM PDT by proud American in Canada
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To: two23

I had this same realization when I was 15 back on 9/11/01, listening to Hannity.


29 posted on 07/12/2004 8:11:22 AM PDT by sdk7x7 ("This time I think the Americans are serious. Bush is not like Clinton. I think this is the end.")
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To: mastequilla
You need to go listen to it again carefully, for what he said was; "that he doesn't mind it if they are going to school to better themselves, and will be paying it back." She is 24 years old, she is trying to straighten her life around for her and her child. And, believe me when she gets into the working world she will be paying it back. If you also listened to it, Rush said, "there will be people who will be upset because they paid their way, working two jobs etc." But if she is trying to better herself, what difference does it make how, as long as she is bettering herself. Just remember once she starts working and a democrat ever makes it in office.... again, she'll be paying back even more.
30 posted on 07/12/2004 8:14:45 AM PDT by moneypenny (if your for the UN you are UNAmerican)
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To: dfwgator
But with the education she gets, she will (hopefully) make more money, which will mean that the government will get more in taxes from her. So in the end, it is an investment.

Gosh that "It's and investment" sounds an awful lot like that democrat slogan "Investing in America" which is a euphemism for BIG GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS. The kind of investing I like to do is with my own money---what the BIG GOVERNMENT boys ALLOW me to keep that is.

31 posted on 07/12/2004 8:15:04 AM PDT by mc5cents ("We will have to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." Hillary Clinton)
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To: MACVSOG68

I have a similarly "confused" coworker. On almost every single issue we discuss, her instincts are conservative. Yet, when it comes down to who she votes for, she always votes Democrat. Why? Because Republicans are "intolerant, hateful, rich..." and all the other standard tripe spouted by the left.


32 posted on 07/12/2004 8:15:06 AM PDT by Junior_G
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To: Warren_Piece
,No, this was classic evangelism, if I may dare say it. Find the common ground, a point of agreement, and work forward gently from there.

Bears repeating. Some of these freepers think that you're not a conservative if you don't scream bloody murder every 5 minutes. Rush actually had a conversation with a human being, not a collection of political beliefs.

33 posted on 07/12/2004 8:19:28 AM PDT by Taliesan (fiction police)
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To: sdk7x7
"I had this same realization when I was 15 back on 9/11/01, listening to Hannity

Great! You are wise beyond your years and an asset to our country! Keep up the good work!

34 posted on 07/12/2004 8:26:05 AM PDT by two23
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy
Rush did seem to condone what she was doing.

Rush wanted not to alienate someone he was genuinely hoping to persuade. He was deflecting the common argument that Republicans want to take away her opportunities and keep her barefoot and pregnant.

Besides, if this girl doesn't accept a Pell Grant, somebody else is going to get it so why trash her for taking advantage of something that's available which she appears to be using for some good?

My mother is getting Veterans Administration assistance for her nursing home care. If it were not available, we'd have to put her in a less desirable facility (we've already had to move her once due to cost factors).

Now, one could trash us for using a government program to give our mother the help she needs and argue that the VA shouldn't be shelling out money for surviving spouses, etc. And they might be legitimate arguments in the hypothetical sense.

But if we didn't access what the government offers, it's not like the government isn't going to spend the money. And through various taxes paid out over decades, we can rationalize that we are only getting back what we've paid in (by force, no less).

By "condoning" the use of a Pell Grant, Rush is simply choosing to fight the bigger battle of winning this woman over to conservatism rather than bashing her for accessing an oppportunity that many others access. Once this battle is won, the woman is free to make up her own mind as to the legitimacy of accessing government handouts.

35 posted on 07/12/2004 8:27:20 AM PDT by Tall_Texan (Ronald Reagan - Greatest President of the 20th Century.)
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To: rudypoot
A Pell grant is a grant, you don't have to pay that back.

A pell grant is never paid back, but it's a great investment in that this woman will get a productive job and pay more in taxes than she ever recieved in Pell money.

In this sense, Rush is using some common sense. After all, how many here complaining about Rush condoning this would rather see Karina STAY on government assistance?

If there's going to be programs like this, it will be in the long run far better and less expensive to the taxpayers to get people off their collective butts and into the workforce.

IMHO

36 posted on 07/12/2004 8:33:26 AM PDT by Big Giant Head ( < What stupid thing are we going to do today, Brain?>)
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To: Tall_Texan
Rush wanted not to alienate someone he was genuinely hoping to persuade.

True. He handled is beautifully.

My mother is getting Veterans Administration assistance for her nursing home care.

I look at that as more of an "earned" benefit anyway.

37 posted on 07/12/2004 8:35:45 AM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (If the Rapture is coming, should I insist on a non-Christian pilot?)
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To: Jalapeno

It's not that she was clueless, it's just that it has never been presented to her in the proper way (thanks to MSM). A lot of people don't understand.


38 posted on 07/12/2004 8:35:50 AM PDT by McGavin999 (If Kerry can't deal with the "Republican Attack Machine" how is he going to deal with Al Qaeda)
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To: Jalapeno
is she really that clueless?

Are you really that clueless? You don't get the Liberal Mind yet?? Better call Rush , he will help you.

39 posted on 07/12/2004 8:40:03 AM PDT by fish hawk
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To: Junior_G
I have a similarly "confused" coworker. On almost every single issue we discuss, her instincts are conservative. Yet, when it comes down to who she votes for, she always votes Democrat. Why? Because Republicans are "intolerant, hateful, rich..." and all the other standard tripe spouted by the left.

There are a lot of those around. How to get to them.....?

40 posted on 07/12/2004 8:41:52 AM PDT by MACVSOG68
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