Posted on 07/04/2004 6:39:03 PM PDT by SkyRat
Nothing. We'll have arrived at a state of total government nirvana. Complete mind supremacy.
"if you identify kids at an earlier age who are aggressive"
Heck, I can save the government a whole lot of money. Just look for the kids who have no parents who give a crap about them. That would make me pretty angry and ready to do something, anything, to get some attention.
Yes!
I have a book on it that goes through it line by line and compares it to citations from Soviet documents. You are correct. I was being generous.
No thanks, just leave me alone, with some "kind" bud! I will get along just fine!
i would suggest no one fill these things out if they do the screening.
i was pointing out that this is not hard to do technically, because some people thought the gov was not capable of doing it.
it has to be stopped politically.
did someone just make the whole thing up?
Yep, it's idiotic. This money would be better off spent on people who have already proven they don't have the mental ability to survive in the real world--putting homeless in mental institutes.
I'm not sure what good this screening would do anyway. There is a LOT of latitude given to the mentally ill before they can be declared wards of the state. You have to practically murder someone before you can be declared insane.
A friend's mother went insane and put her family through hell, she would wreck things, try to sic the police on her daughter for imaginary offenses, wreck cars all the time even though she failed the driver's license test, and so on. The family begged courts to force her into a mental institute but the psychologists always evaluated her as "borderline insane". I don't remember the event that finally convinced the courts to declare her insane but it was pretty extreme.
This has been debunked?
Url for that?
Or can you sum up the arguments?
Anything would be helpful.
Thanks for your links.
And I found this article from AP:
Mental Illnesses Bring Detention for Some Youths
Report finds many juveniles are `warehoused' in facilities
by Erica Werner
Associated Press
WASHINGTON -- Thousands of mentally ill youths are unnecessarily put in juvenile detention centers to await mental health treatment, a House committee reported Wednesday.
Centers usually are not equipped to treat mental illness, and in some cases the youths have not been charged with a crime, said the report by the Democratic staff of the House Government Reform Committee.
"The use of juvenile detention facilities to house youth waiting for community mental health services is widespread and a serious national problem," said the report, which found that two-thirds of juvenile detention facilities hold youths who are waiting for mental health treatment. "This misuse of detention centers as holding areas for mental health treatment is unfair to youth, undermines their health, disrupts the function of detention centers and is costly to society."
The report was prepared at the request of California Rep. Henry Waxman, the House Government Reform Committee's top Democrat, and Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, chairwoman of the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee.
"Thousands of youth who are in need of community mental health services are stuck in jail until these services become available," Waxman said. "This is deplorable. Congress must ensure that our children have access to the mental health care that they need."
Collins scheduled a hearing on the issue Wednesday in which Waxman was testifying along with experts on mental health law, youth behavior and juvenile detention.
The report identified 698 juvenile detention facilities in the United States, defined as correctional facilities holding people age 21 and younger awaiting charges or trial or recently tried. Seventy-five percent of the facilities, or 524, responded to the survey, including facilities from every state but New Hampshire. The survey covered six months, Jan. 1, 2003, to June 30, 2003.
The report did not attempt to determine why so many youths who needed mental health treatment were being put in juvenile detention but said administrators blamed the lack of other treatment facilities.
One detention center administrator from Louisiana wrote, "We appear to be warehousing youths with mental illnesses due to lack of mental health services."
In researching this issue (the claim that Bush has some strange mental health screening plan in the works), (after having been refered to this thread from another that seemed to be a duplicate of it, which is now pulled as it's reviewed), I came across your post here.
As far as I understand, Goals 2000 is no longer an active government program, as all its funding was yanked a few years ago. Source
Comments? I'd be interested to hear yours, as I've hear others talk about Goals 2000 spending and influence in the past. When I heard about it and did some reasearch into it, I found the article above from the Home School Legal Defense Association. It would appear to indicate Goals 2000 is no more, but again, I'd like to hear your thoughts on the matter.
Thanks,
Luckily, Goals 2000 was permanently defunded by the Federal Government in 2002, as part of the "No Child Left Behind Act". My only concern is how much of the mechanism that was put in place has been dismantled at the state and local level? And, how much of this new program is just a reincarnation of some of the more troubling parts of Goals 2000?
It was hard to find anything definitive on this subject from what information is out there. My suspicion is that certain states may still have some or all of the original Goals 2000 still in place. The large bureaucracies that run the state education systems move very slowly and usually not in a direction that we would like to see. Just because the federal government is not funding this component of a given state's education budget does not mean that all the parts of Goals 2000 have been removed from that state's system.
I suspect that if the Goals 2000 system was fully integrated into their education system it would not easily be extricated from it. Some states may see it as simpler to just leave it and try to then integrate Bush's new "No child left behind" plan into it. Also, some state education officials may like it enough to retain the parts they like. I did see some articles in my original research into this issue that stated that in a number of states it was still in place in one form or another.
I will try to find those references for you in the next few days. I am on the road for the next few weeks but should be able to find some of the info for you.
Congress, Judges excluded.
We're going to find a high positive correlation between someone having a mental illness and someone being registered as a 'Rat.
Teacher: Now class before we get started today here is your "smart" pill and your juice.
Gulp, gulp, gulp.....
Kids: If we're good can we have some happy pills too?
Teacher: Of course you can! I've got several in all pretty colors for you to pick from.
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