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Science Icon Fires Broadside At Creationists
London Times vis The Statesman (India) ^ | 04 July 2004 | Times of London Editorial

Posted on 07/04/2004 5:19:27 PM PDT by PatrickHenry

Professor Ernst Mayr, the scientist renowned as the father of modern biology, will celebrate his 100th birthday tomorrow by leading a scathing attack on creationism.

The evolutionary biologist, who is already acclaimed as one of the most prolific researchers of all time, has no intention of retiring and is shortly to publish new research that dismantles the fashionable creationist doctrine of “intelligent design”.

Although he has reluctantly cut his workload since a serious bout of pneumonia 18 months ago, Prof. Mayr has remained an active scientist at Harvard University throughout his 90s. He has written five books since his 90th birthday and is researching five academic papers. One of these, scheduled to appear later this year, will examine how “intelligent design” — the latest way in which creationists have sought to present a divine origin of the world — was thoroughly refuted by Charles Darwin a century and a half ago.

His work is motivated in part by a sense of exasperation at the re-emergence of creationism in the USA, which he compares unfavourably with the widespread acceptance of evolution that he encountered while growing up in early 20th-century Germany.

The states of Florida, Mississippi, Missouri, Illinois, Kentucky and Oklahoma currently omit the word “evolution” from their curriculums. The Alabama state board of education has voted to include disclaimers in textbooks describing evolution as a theory. In Georgia, the word “evolution” was banned from the science curriculum after the state’s schools superintendent described it as a “controversial buzzword”.

Fierce protest, including criticism from Jimmy Carter, the former President, reversed this.

Prof. Mayr, who will celebrate his 100th birthday at his holiday home in New Hampshire with his two daughters, five grandchildren and 10 great-grandchildren, was born on 5 July 1905 in Kempten, Germany. He took a PhD in zoology at the University of Berlin, before travelling to New Guinea in 1928 to study its diverse bird life. On his return in 1930 he emigrated to the USA. His most famous work, Systematics and the Origin of Species, was published in 1942 and is regarded still as a canonical work of biology.

It effectively founded the modern discipline by combining Darwin’s theory of evolution by natural selection with Gregor Mendel’s genetics, showing how the two were compatible. Prof. Mayr redefined what scientists mean by a species, using interbreeding as a guide. If two varieties of duck or vole do not interbreed, they cannot be the same species.

Prof. Mayr has won all three of the awards sometimes termed the “triple crown” of biology — the Balzan Prize, the Crafoord Prize and the International Prize for Biology. Although he formally retired in 1975, he has been active as an Emeritus Professor ever since and has recently written extensively on the philosophy of biology.


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To: af_vet_1981; Dimensio
They worship Charles Darwin, ergo they believe in him as their creator.

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

Vet, this is for you.

121 posted on 07/05/2004 1:25:57 PM PDT by stands2reason (Everyone's a self-made man -- but only the successful are willing to admit it.)
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To: af_vet_1981
They worship Charles Darwin, ergo they believe in him as their creator.

I don't know of anyone who worships Charles Darwin.

I think that your initial presumptions are incorrect, resulting in completely false statements leading from them.
122 posted on 07/05/2004 1:28:29 PM PDT by Dimensio (Join the Monthly Internet Flash Mob: http://tinyurl.com/3xj9m)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Theology is a science.

How do you use the scientific method in theology?

123 posted on 07/05/2004 1:34:10 PM PDT by stands2reason (Everyone's a self-made man -- but only the successful are willing to admit it.)
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To: PatrickHenry

incomprehensible placemarker


124 posted on 07/05/2004 1:34:18 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: MacDorcha
a science is simply a study, and a scientist is simply one who studies.

Not quite. "Science" is a method. And "scientists" are those who employ that method.

125 posted on 07/05/2004 1:39:31 PM PDT by stands2reason (Everyone's a self-made man -- but only the successful are willing to admit it.)
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To: Sola Veritas
However, you must know that secularists do.

I don't.

126 posted on 07/05/2004 1:42:52 PM PDT by stands2reason (Everyone's a self-made man -- but only the successful are willing to admit it.)
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To: Just mythoughts
Scientific method is what constantly continues to evolve.

How so?

127 posted on 07/05/2004 1:46:45 PM PDT by stands2reason (Everyone's a self-made man -- but only the successful are willing to admit it.)
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To: balrog666

I want to know what the mass of a soul is.


128 posted on 07/05/2004 1:52:34 PM PDT by stands2reason (Everyone's a self-made man -- but only the successful are willing to admit it.)
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To: dimk
Species change, its an experimental fact not statement of belief.

If this were true we would have very little to disagree upon. There would be literally mountains of evidence of speciation if it were true. (On that point Darwin was correct).

I am not a biologist, and my experience with all of these concepts is from using Genetic Algorithms and Genetic Programming to evolve programs for image analysis and mineral identification. All of them work, populations of programs do evolve when faced with evolutionary pressure, gradual evolution is the most effective in programming evolution since mutations usually just create lots of useless junk that hinders not speeds up the process.

If you are using the term evolution in this paragraph to indicate "adaptation" we have no disagreement, however evidence of adaptation does not spell out changes in kinds of animals. The beaks, the spots, the spikes on a fish, are all proving to be evidences of adaptation within the genetic material already present within the creature. Link

However is the best workable theory.

Only if a person discounts the obvious tolerances that our world must maintain for life to even exist. Stretching those tolerances for even 1 million years is obviously foolish considering the rate of extinction of species, the catastrophic missiles that float around our solar system, the balance of chemistry and temperatures that regulate that chemistry of life...

There are so many reasons to discount evolution theory. Read more articles from here for further enlightenment.

Thank you for your reasoned tone, it is refreshing!

129 posted on 07/05/2004 1:53:25 PM PDT by bondserv (Alignment is critical!)
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To: balrog666

LOL! Good story.


130 posted on 07/05/2004 1:55:25 PM PDT by stands2reason (Everyone's a self-made man -- but only the successful are willing to admit it.)
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To: PatrickHenry
Professor Ernst Mayr, the scientist renowned as the father of modern biology, will celebrate his 100th birthday tomorrow by leading a scathing attack on creationism.

Poor guy. To be expending vitriol at such a late stage in his life! At least in his dotage he's still consistent, not that that has anything to do with being correct. I remember a great paragraph I found in one of his books published in the 1960's in which he propounded a quick precis of the then-current naturalist history of the universe from the Big Bang to the present day, inexplicably seeming to conflate, as so many do, the "evolution" of the universe with biological evolution. When he finished, he asked rhetorically whence the Big Bang came and answered himself saying that he didn't pretend to know because he was going to stay within the limits of science. The only thing missing was a background soundtrack of solemn tom-toms.

About the only summary of Life, the Universe, and Everything more egregiously omniscient than Mayr's (egregious because both lack the tools to make good on their philosophical claims), though considerably more succinct, was that given by the late great Carl Sagan: "The cosmos is all that is or ever was or ever will be."
131 posted on 07/05/2004 1:55:27 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: jennyp
It's a little sad to see someone who obviously has a bright mind use it in the service of denying the plain reality of what's going on.

Groucho Marx in one of his movies says, "Making mountains out of molehills isn't easy. You try that sometime!" A fine example is Coppedge's quest to present every bit of news that comes along, no matter what, as evidence for the reality of his delusions.

132 posted on 07/05/2004 1:58:19 PM PDT by VadeRetro (You don't just bat those big liquid eyes and I start noticing how lovely you are. Hah!)
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To: PatrickHenry
Fierce protest, including criticism from Jimmy Carter, the former President

hehehe
133 posted on 07/05/2004 1:59:11 PM PDT by Vision (Always Faithful)
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To: Dimensio

see my #128


134 posted on 07/05/2004 2:00:10 PM PDT by stands2reason (Everyone's a self-made man -- but only the successful are willing to admit it.)
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To: stands2reason

Scientific method is what constantly continues to evolve.



"How so?"


The goal is to prove evolution, and every new discovery is use to further that goal, many alterations have been made since Darwin to give evolution credibility.

The scientific method is established under "peer review", and the "peers" are constantly updating, revising, and renewing their review.

Just look how this article is written and directed, nothing in it to give themselves credibility, rather a mocking of "Creationist" going to get theirs. That is the foundation of evolution's "scientific methods".

As though when one peers through a microscope and sees something for the first time, it's like they created it.






135 posted on 07/05/2004 2:14:16 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: stands2reason

yes, thanks for the adjustment. yeah, science is a method, employed to investigate fields of study. scientists use this method. good catch :)


136 posted on 07/05/2004 2:14:24 PM PDT by MacDorcha
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To: balrog666

That's because it's not science. And, of course, "creationism" tends to cover about 103 different creation myths - why should they choose yours over any others to waste time on in a science class?

1) its lasted longest.

2) its supported by obsevations made by scientists.

3) it isnt a myth, it may have been Man's limited understanding when the Book was written, but it is NOT a myth. a myth is easy to disprove (Atlas holding the world up is a myth, we see no Atlas after going around the world)

the best term a reasoning scientist can conclude to use for Creationists (esp Judeo-Christians) is a "theory"

the real term is "Faith," or even "Truth"

the reason being, things happen that cannont be explained by what is before us. we also accept that with every answer comes more questions. we know (to a limited extent) HOW, but what about WHY, or WHERE, or even WHO/WHAT?

if science is so perfect at explaining away things, why is it not ok to kill another man in cold blood?


137 posted on 07/05/2004 2:22:50 PM PDT by MacDorcha
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To: All
There seems to be considerable confusion on this thread about the distinction between science and theology. It would therefore be useful to clarify the situation:

What is the "scientific method"? From HERE.

The scientific method is the best way yet discovered for winnowing the truth from lies and delusion. The simple version looks something like this:

* 1. Observe some aspect of the universe.
* 2. Invent a tentative description, called a hypothesis, that is consistent with what you have observed.
* 3. Use the hypothesis to make predictions.
* 4. Test those predictions by experiments or further observations and modify the hypothesis in the light of your results.
* 5. Repeat steps 3 and 4 until there are no discrepancies between theory and experiment and/or observation.
When consistency is obtained the hypothesis becomes a theory and provides a coherent set of propositions which explain a class of phenomena. A theory is then a framework within which observations are explained and predictions are made.
138 posted on 07/05/2004 2:28:58 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Hic amor, haec patria est.)
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To: Just mythoughts
So is good science left brain or right brain intellectual activity?

Yes. Scientists get their good ideas from wherever creative people get their ideas. Kekule realized what the structure of the benzine molecule had to be when he dreamed about a snake eating its own tail.

Of course, that's not all there is to it: since we're talking science, just having a dream wasn't enough. The notion had to stand up to experimental testing. (It did. Of course, we don't hear too much about the ones that don't pan out, but that's the way it goes.) Science uses both sides of your brain.

139 posted on 07/05/2004 2:35:19 PM PDT by jejones
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To: Dimensio

You said "Do you actually have an argument against evolution, or do you have nothing to offer but trite one-liners?"

As a matter of fact, I do have an argument or two against the issue of evolution of species. I would encourage anyone who has not already closed their mind on the subject, to evaluate creation science and evolution. There are a number of good books available. (I like ICR myself)

I just happen to like one-liners. CS Lewis, referring to the whole evolution silliness remarked "There are some ideas, so fantastic they can only be believed by intellectuals.


140 posted on 07/05/2004 2:40:04 PM PDT by Wycowboy
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