Bill Buckley, you and I know the war was a mistake

The Hill ^ | June 28, 04 | Josh Marshall

[Just mythoughts]

"When I read WFB's quote, I knew we "neocons" were going to have to endure some gloating. I don't agree with his assessment. "


Personally speaking, this feud about "neocons" on all sides is beside the point. That is unless there was a "con" and thus far there has been no evidence presented.

This whole concern about "enduring some gloating" is self serving and exposes just how far out there some minds fly.


"But there were fabrications by the likes of Chalabhi that added to the threat assessment."

The whole Chalabhi affair I have not sorted out. For anyone on the "left" side to express any outrage about "fabrications" is pure torture to hear. The Clintons reigned over this nation for 8 years with little else but fabrication.

Saddam should have been taken out in the first Gulf War, but because the rest of the world did not want him gone he stayed and in Saddam's eyes he won. The world then played hide and seek and bought and sold his oil, and all those "little" people so many claim to care about were tortured, starved, and slaughtered. Saddam was using his oil to bankroll a "kingdom" and he would need weaponry and terrorists to protect his "kingdom".

WFB's new found believe does not fit with what he has presented himself to be.

[Zechariah11]

With posts like that I'd say it's time to change your name to:

goodreasonstovoteforkerry

[Chgogal]

Yup! Now that is a character building endeavor. :-)

[Joe Hadenuf]

Okay Joe,unlike you,I've read this entire thread.Unlike you,I don't expect someone to do for me,what I should do for myself.

LOL! No doubt you've read every thread ever posted. Sorry I am just too tired to read through almost 400 posts.

Forget that I asked if you could be specific. Jus ferrrrget it.

[nopardons]

It sure is...or utter stupidity. LOL

[Joe Hadenuf]

Reagan invaded a number of nations

Besides Grenada, which countries are those, I just don't recall.

[Keith]

Maybe the paleocons are like the America Firsters who didn't see the sense of siding with a Soviet despot who killed 30 million people against a German despot who killed 12 million.

Maybe because the Soviet only wanted to kill his own people, while the German was rolling through Europe killing everyone else's citizens...that and the fact that the German was bombing England and declaring war on us...

Comon AC, you are evidently very bright...bad analogy.

[bootless]

Guess we should have waited just a bit longer; until Saddam had his missile delivery systems in place as per his secret meetings with Kim Sung il; and his chemical and biological agents returned to Iraq from their temporary storage in Syria. . .or waited a bit longer until he had in his hands even some nuclear surprises he was working towards as well.

Just wanted to bump this...

Was it Connie Francis who sang "Who's Sorry Now?"? How about "Who's Wobbly Now?"

[nopardons]

No,I haven't read every thread in its entirety;but I told to you read what churchy wrote right after he posted the article.WHAT'S SOS HARD ABOUT THAT?

Because of our history,I shied away from paraphrasing what was said,or copying it word for for,precisely because that would have given you the opening to tell me that I had typed it wrong,or some other such thing.All I want to do is keep the thread on topic. :-)

[VanZant]

What is the utility of this revelation--especially coming the day after the transfger of sovereignty. It strikes me as his desire to be talked about pleasantly by the NYT and Liberal elite on his way out the door.

[Joe Hadenuf]

No,I haven't read every thread in its entirety;but I told to you read what churchy wrote right after he posted the article.WHAT'S SOS HARD ABOUT THAT?

Too much coffee tonight honey? No need to get sore.

[Chgogal]

To be honest with you, I take the train or the car. I humbly believe that I am not stupid and think my character does not need building-up. Although, standing on the platform has its moments of frustration especially when the train does NOT come along.

But today was a most beautiful day even though I was a City Hall collecting my city sticker.

[nopardons]

Joe,for the record,I am not drinking coffee now,had exactly one mug of it today,and have been decaffeinated since the summer of '84. But you just proved what I said...you'll angle for ANY excuse to bait and flame me. Now go away.

[lepton]

I actually believe in the argument that a free Iraq will have consequences for other totalitarian governments. I do believe in the domino effect of democracy. At least, I believe it is worth a try.

25 years ago, were there any predominately Catholic countries that were not ruled by dictators? How many of the South and Central American dictatorships are still around - aside from the recent rise of one in Venezuela?

[samantha]

Sometimes you wonder if the likes of Will and Clancy et al are merely paper pusher types,not real do'ers in that particular realm of which they write. They seem to be trying to be on the inside and outside simultaneously,and thereby they twist themselves into contortions of unbelievable dimensions to make themselves look smarter than us peons.,

[lepton]

I actually believe in the argument that a free Iraq will have consequences for other totalitarian governments. I do believe in the domino effect of democracy. At least, I believe it is worth a try.

25 years ago, were there any predominately Catholic countries that were not ruled by dictators (Aside from Italy)? How many of the South and Central American dictatorships are still around - aside from the recent rise of one in Venezuela?

[Joe Hadenuf]

Is this it?

LOL

I'm posting this because those freepers who call me some kind of traitor for opposing the invasion of Iraq are now going to have to add Buckley (along with Tom Clancy and a number of military brass) to the list.

This gives the other poster the right to call him names and attack him?

Have a wonderful evening nopardons....Hehehe....

[DLfromthedesert]

What about the link between Saddam and Al-Qaida? The new head of the Iraqi government acknowledges a tie. I think the President did the right thing in going to war despite the missteps that are bound to happen.

[nopardons]

Actually,my waits on LSD and Michigan Ave. were for cabs,but it's the same kinda thing and whilst it may be character building,it's also stupid to be out in Chicago's horrid mid winter weather,instead of inside.But one does what one must,thusly erasing the " stupid".:-)

You've been having some really glorious weather,the last couple of days,I hear.

I'm no longer in Chicago,but my daughter and s-i-l are.

[adam_az]

"Gen. Zinni"

Zinni is an incompetent failure whose claim to fame is getting Israelis killed every time he showed up to promote the phony road map.