Bush to screen population for mental illness

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | June 21, 2004

[Don Joe]

Make me.

I would, but the terlet's acting up, and I can't find the plunger.

[TigersEye]

Now, that said, this little beastie looks like a real humdinger. About eleven Giant Steps in the wrong direction, to coin a phrase.

After reading the Commission Report's introduction and index I agree completely. The recommendations are hideous and insidious.

[Dont Mention the War]

What I would ask, regarding your cancer hypothetical, is if "every adult with cancer must have an individualized plan of care coordinating services among programs and across agencies," how can that be done without universal screening for cancer? I don't see another way, do you?

I don't know if you're going to believe me, but in the medical field (and, I would argue, in layman's terms as well), the phrase "every person with cancer" (or mental illness, or any other disease) is generally accepted to mean "every person diagnosed with cancer (or mental illness, etc.)."

You may, for example, have a couple of cavities in your mouth right now that you don't know about, and won't ever know about until the next time you visit a dentist for a checkup, a cleaning, something like that. That doesn't mean the Tooth Cops are going to come after you before that making sure they haven't missed any opportunities to perform a filling and get some cash from your insurance or Medicare for it.

[take]

It will start with pre-school children. In order to enroll your child in the local government training center (euphemistically termed "public school"), he or she will have to be evaluated by a government-licensed psychologist. Any child who does not fall within the parameters of whatever the State considers "normal" will be prescribed an "anti-psychotic" drug concocted The prescription will of course be mandatory; any parents who refuse to "medicate" their child will find themselves in the same position as the father in this news story who, after seeing his son's personality deteriorate under the effect of Ritalin, took his son off the poison and now may face prosecution--except that, in the near future, there won't be any "maybe" about it, parents will face prosecution, they will have their children taken away from them, and they will be imprisoned for defending their children.

That's how it will start. Then prisoners, whether they got into trouble for murder or burglary or marijuana possession or failure to pay a parking ticket or holding "politically incorrect" views or refusing to medicate their children, will be screened for mental illness. And they will be forcibly medicated, or implanted with a device to control their emotions. And the average, stupid American citizen will not care, because it's "only" being done to prisoners.

But then, one day, you will wake up and discover that you cannot get health insurance, a driver's license, government benefits, or a job, unless you submit to mental health screening. And they will test your "normality" with all manner of diabolical high-tech gadgetry. For instance, they will analyze your brain wave activity to discern whether or not you are lying when they ask you about your finances, your sex life, your favorite television shows, your political views, your religious beliefs, and so on. It will, of course, be junk science, with results subject to any sort of interpretation, but it won't matter--it will be the Law that you submit, and if you are deemed "abnormal" you will be medicated or micro-chipped, and you will be "cured.

[JudyB1938]

If it saves just one life....

LOL I know. But every parent, spouse, and/or child who has lost a loved one to those demonic killers sure wishes it had saved their "one life".

[Don Joe]

You brought your mother into this, pal.

1. Don't call me "pal", dear. TUVM.
2. Do not dare to equate my relating a pleasant memory of an event my mother told me, with your vile attacks on her person.

And rant all you want, you still posted an absolute falsehood about my posts on this thread and haven't been able to back it up.

Hey, I said you win. What more do you want?

LMAO!

[Dont Mention the War]

Fortunately, I've got thick ankles.

Oh my God, you're HILLARY!

[Don Joe]

After reading the Commission Report's introduction and index I agree completely.

Welcome to the rarified atmosphere shared by those very few who've bothered to look at the actual materials.

I've noticed a strange correlation between the very few who've looked at it -- and agree that it is a travesty -- and the seething masses who are too busy condemning those who have read it, to be able to spare the time to read it themselves.

[Dane]

Willful ignorance is always scary stuff..

JMO, NL, you are the professional at practicing willful ignorance on FR.

[Don Joe]

Thick ankles can be a sign of congestive heart failure. You might want to get that looked at.

Gee, thanks for the concern -- especially since I've already mentioned in this thread that I do have CHF.

Don't fret your little heart out. I'm costing the good ratepayers of Blue Cross close to fifty grand a year.

[Don Joe]

Fortunately, I've got thick ankles.

Oh my God, you're HILLARY!

Nope, I'm just a tired old fart with a natural immunity to anklebiters. :)

[Don Joe]

I don't know if you're going to believe me, but in the medical field (and, I would argue, in layman's terms as well), the phrase "every person with cancer" (or mental illness, or any other disease) is generally accepted to mean "every person diagnosed with cancer (or mental illness, etc.)."

And what does it mean when someone speaks in terms of finding "every person with [____}" so that they can be "helped"?

Seems pretty clear to me that in the context under discussion, the goal is one of bringing in the undiagnosed.

Did you read the original source materials?

Here's a starting point or three:

Achieving the Promise: Transforming Mental Health Care in America, the White House's source document

Bush plans to screen whole US population for mental illness, by Jeanne Lenzer, British Medical Journal

About the British Medical Journal

[Howlin]

I see. So you used a "pleasant" memory of your mother to trash somebody who you don't agree with and then screamed bloody hell when I referred to her.

Good to know how you operate.

[TigersEye]

It will start with pre-school children. In order to enroll your child in the local government training center (euphemistically termed "public school"), he or she will have to be evaluated by a government-licensed psychologist. Any child who does not fall within the parameters of whatever the State considers "normal" will be prescribed an "anti-psychotic" drug concocted The prescription will of course be mandatory;

This is already the case (and has been for a decade or more) in many places.

... any parents who refuse to "medicate" their child will find themselves in the same position as the father in this news story who, after seeing his son's personality deteriorate under the effect of Ritalin, took his son off the poison and now may face prosecution--

A close friend was blackmailed by the school to put his nine year old on Ritalin. The tried when she was five and entering kindergarten but their pediatrician gave them a stay of execution then. After a year of Ritalin at age 9-10 he got mad about it and took her off. They didn't however retaliate. (Other schools have with other people.) She is 14 now and quite bright and normal. Children who take Ritalin or other psychotropics are something like 20% more likely to become addicted to street drugs by age 18 FWIW.

The question here should be "will a sweeping federal program to revamp public and private mental health care services improve this situation?

[Don Joe]

Well, I hate to break any hearts, but I'm outta here again.

Try to play nice, folks.

You never know -- you might actually enjoy it.

[_Jim]

Well, I gotta admit, they haven't quartered troops in my house!

Naw - it can't be, can it?

Another member of the 'I don't care to live civilly amongst humanity' and 'don't impose on me one iota for my time, my assistance or cooperation' club?

Hyperbole, used tactically, can refreshingly get a 'point' across -

-but hyperbole used excessively and continually reveals you may have hold of no other forms of logical/argumentative ammunition ...

All this 'crying' about 'my rights' are being infringed is pathetic; if, in the course or your ordinary life you could make the case how your 'constitutional rights' have been grevioulsly violated THAT might be the argument you should put forth ...

[rundy]

We can't possibily do this, are we really willing to put all of the Democrats and Liberals in Mental Instutitions? I would say "yes". Build them and fill them.

[Dane]

Well, I hate to break any hearts, but I'm outta here again

Whew, that is the first time I've heard of a major malcontent on a FR thread describing changing his diaper as breaking hearts.

[TigersEye]

But every parent, spouse, and/or child who has lost a loved one to those demonic killers sure wishes it had saved their "one life".

That sounds more like an argument for letting the AWB sunset to me. Life has no guarantees and the last one I want trying to give me one is the federal gov.

I've always liked the Marine slogan "lead, follow or get the f out of the way." When it comes to democratic style republics I think the people should lead, the state should follow and the fed should get the f out of the way.

[F.J. Mitchell]

"Do you have any idea how you sound?"

No! Tell me.

"Get over your self."

You won't believe it, but everyone here will tell you-You could easily have been talking to yourself there.

I have no problem with secret ballots. Union members would be afraid to vote for Republicans, if the goons who run their unions knew about it.

If you haven't made up your mind about the Candidates by now, you must be planning to flip a coin on the way to vote.

Don't be so over sensitive every time someone mentions your Mother. I lost my own Mother in 1994. Nothing offensive has been said about your Mother and I would be the last person to disrespect anyone's Mother.

Believe me Don Joe, when I say: The last thing anyone here wants to see, is your being banned from this site. You have almost single handedly ran this thread up toward a thousand responses-no small achievement.

So bring it on.