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To: oblomov
I think that even today there are a lot of Nazi/fascist sympathizers in Europe who are not Muslims.

I think your entire post is right on the money and even brought up points I had wondered about, but not thought as deeply on, or written about as I should have. I was stationed in Baumholder, GE for 3 years (97-2000) with the US Army. I saw several instances of Skinhead/Neo-Nutzi movements allying with the radical Islamic (Wabaharrist) sect. I also saw the "Watermelon" socialists (Green on the outside, but Red to the core) ally with the same movement. It seems the Radical Islamics (Islamofacsists if you will) have united these groups through hatred of Jews, the USA, Israel, capitalism, private industry, freedom, etc.

On the surface, this would seem quite an accomplishment, until you realize these groups all believe in the same things, just different orders of importance: In simplistic terms, the Skinheads/Neo-NAZIs are racist/biggots first, socialists second and vice-versa for the Greens/"Progressives". The Jewdao-Christian beliefs stand in the way of both groups "progress" in returning humanity to a state of barbarism (though they would call it "utopia"). Eliminating the Western religions are paramount to these groups. In comes the Islamofascists, uniting these groups since they too are Anti-West, anti-tecnology, anti-freedom, but most of all: filthy rich. The skinheads/Neo-NAZIs and "Progressive" Leftists are now united in cause, if not united in how to achieve goals (and in what order those goals should be achieved). The Islamofascists now have a legion of "usefull idiots" to aid in carrying out their plans.

We also must look at Europe in a historical light: Freedom in Europe is a new concept, though a very old one at the same time. Though Italy (Rome) and Greece were the birthplace of representative government, Europe's history is not one of freedom. Though the USA has very dark chapters in our own history (ie, slavery), these pale to European historical depths. Freedom from the regimented/dictatorial society of feudalism and then NAZIism is relatively new for modern Europe. I met people in Germany who still wished for others to do their thinking for them. Sadly, this is also a growing trend in the leftist movement in the US. For what is the "Welfare State", if not modern feudalism and slavery/serfdom? Finally, it is truly sad that the birthplace of this modern freedom, France, is now falling to the evils of this movement.

To some extent, the Paneuropeanism of the EU dreamers is an attempt to sanitize the goals of Hitler and Mussolini, to clean them of the chauvinist and racist elements.

Again, direct hit. Unfortunately for the world, putting a clean face on evils of Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Mao, Kim Jung Ill, Saddam, and Bin Laden does nothing to diminish the evil itself... It just makes it easier for those on the Western "Progressive" Left, who will do everything possible to stay in a state of denial over these events, to remain delusional and unaware of the growing danger (while at the same time acquiring their own fleeting power at all costs and damn their country and her people).

19 posted on 06/20/2004 3:58:15 PM PDT by M1Tanker (Proven Daily: Modern "progressive" liberalism is just NAZIism without the "twisted cross")
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To: M1Tanker

I'm French, some in my family are jews.
Some of my best friends are jews too.
We might need a little help from our friends rather soon.
I'm not a coward, I'm a tough guy but right now, it's getting extremely difficult..


20 posted on 06/20/2004 5:01:24 PM PDT by thierrya
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