Posted on 06/17/2004 11:16:30 PM PDT by AdmSmith
ISLAMABAD (CNN) -- A tribal leader accused of harboring Al Qaeda militants in Pakistan's western border region was killed Thursday night in a targeted missile strike, according to Pakistan intelligence sources. The Associated Press quoted an army spokesman Friday as identifying the tribal leader as Nek Mohammed, a former Taliban fighter.
He was killed late Thursday at the home of another tribal chief, the spokesman said.
"We were tracking him down and he was killed last night by our hand," Maj. Gen. Shaukat Sultan told The Associated Press.
(Excerpt) Read more at edition.cnn.com ...
Although I don't use this system, and I know Boot doesn't need it, I thought it might be helpful for others.
North-South distance should be the same no matter where it is measured, while East-West distance depends on your latitude. There's a lot more space between degrees at the equator than there is near the poles.
In the part of the world under scrutiny:
1 Degree NS is 69.3 miles or 112 kilometers.
1 Degree EW is 57.9 miles or 93.4 kilometers.
1 Minute NS is 1.15 miles or 1.86 kilometers.
1 Minute EW is 0.967 miles or 1.56 kilometers.
1 Second NS is 103 feet or 30.8 meters.
1 Second EW is 84.1 feet or 25.5 meters.
These are approximate distances, but they give you an idea of the order of magnitude and can be used to calculate distance. The east-west distances apply in the general vicinity of Miram Shah.
Boot, thanks for the Tribal coordinates, I saved them and will probably have to print them out due to how often I reference them. Are these villages with these names or tribal concentrations? How did they pop up in GEONames, listed as what?
http://www.observerindia.com/cps/from_pak/news.htm
16 tribesmen held
The Security forces have been continuing their operations in North
Waziristan agency in Wana and have arrested 16 people of the Mamoozai
tribe on August 24, reports said. The security forces also recovered a
truck load of arms, ammunition and explosives in two different raids, 18
kilometer away from Meeranshah. Four foreign terrorists were killed in the
operation and two more injured terrorists have been arrested. Also, 16
persons of the Mamoonzai tribes were arrested.
Further, three missiles, 100 rounds of ammunition have been recovered
from the houses of Atmanzai tribesmen and six men have been held in that
connection. Meanwhile, a delegation of Atmanzai tribesmen deposited
Rupees 2500 000 as surety to secure bail to arrested tribesmen. However,
the security forces did not release them and had transferred the case to the
Governor of NWFP. Reports said a delegation of 90 Atmanzai tribesmen
marched to the NWFP Governors house to secure their release assuring
that, if they were found to be involved once again in anti-national activities,
the tribe would pay a fine of at least Rs.7500 000 in cash."
From the quantities of arms siezed, this now swings back towards being a mobile force, as opposed to a fixed base. Once again, the implications of such a conclusion include the possibility that this was an enemy diversion designed to weaken the Shawal perimeter.
"My personal favorite is "Silli Khel"."
I'm kinda partial to the Kuki Khel
separated at birth?
That's a great pic. I sure hope they can rebuild and restore it.
(AdmSmith, I thought this explanation might also be of interest to you.
Dog, go to the bottom paragraph for additional info about your hunch.)
jeffers:
I searched GEONames database using only the following criteria:
Country: Pakistan
Admin. area code: 01 (FATA)
Feature Designation: Area: Tribal Areas (abbreviation = TRB)
The search returned 147 hits which breaks down into:
144 Native names
3 Unverified names
The 144 Native names also included:
41 Generic name (or shortened name) alternatives
26 Variant names (also known as) alternatives
This is the only official definition that NGA provides for that feature designation:
code | designation | definition |
---|---|---|
TRB | tribal area | a tract of land used by nomadic or other tribes |
However, it has been my experience, from untold hours using that database, that despite the definition of the TRB feature designation as an "area", is not a geo-centric designation, i.e., it is not the geographic center of a larger general area (at least this seems to hold true in the FATA area of Pakistan). "TRB" appears to be used to designate a specific and identifiable "populated place" and known to the local inhabitants as a town with the native name and variants listed in the GEONames database.
In fact, this could explain the apparent duplication of certain tribal names, in that list, that are co-located within just a few miles of each other. While two towns with the same name just a mile or two apart might prove confusing to Western minds, I'm sure it makes perfect sense to a 12th century tribal mind (no disrespect intended).
Be aware that something very strange is going on at the Geographic Intelligence Agency. Over the last week, they have experienced periods of extremely slow response times, but today there search engine is completely off-line. It could just be a problem with their database engine, but when this has happened in the past it has preceded a major military operation (the military uses the same database). Stay alert, something may be afoot.
--Boot Hill
Or how about the feline replacement for email: Katagram!
--Boot Hill
LoL
Boot .....keep watching that area.
Jeffers---- This was a big troop movement..the Pakistanis used 19 helicopters to ferry troops into the battle......big force.
Very interesting..
It was posted here http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1155685/posts?page=842#842
Most of the time I address to myself as I regard this thread as a known entity. The purpose is to have all info about the hunt in one thread instead of have it scattered all around and difficult to find.
I notice that the Miranshah incident in #842 made it into the MSM:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1198214/posts
More from the sky:
http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2004/08/fce42757-f2ce-4ffb-bad9-9c8ef2e6a822.html
Interview: Top Analyst Barnett Rubin Says Pakistan Is Letting Taliban Survive
By Ron Synovitz
Islamabad's recent efforts in the war on terrorism have focused on Al-Qaeda fighters. But now there are growing calls from Western diplomats, the Afghan government and the United Nations for Pakistan to rein in Taliban militants who have fled from Afghanistan into Pakistan since late 2001.
Prague, 26 August 2004 -- Barnett Rubin -- the director of the Center on International Cooperation at New York University -- is among many South Asia analysts who think Pakistan's security forces are intentionally overlooking the presence of Taliban militants on their territory.
Most experts agree that Pakistan's ISI intelligence agency helped create the Taliban and gave it the military and financial support it needed to take control over most of Afghanistan in the mid-1990s. Islamabad has repeatedly denied those allegations and insists that it cut all ties with the Taliban when it joined the U.S.-led war on terrorism after the attacks 11 September 2001.
But like many independent analysts, Rubin insists that Pakistan's security services have fostered religious fundamentalism for years in order to promote Islamabad's foreign-policy goals. He said the key motivations include strategic concerns about India, as well as the dormant "Pashtunistan" question -- that is, the fear in Islamabad that ethnic Pashtun nationalists might take power in Kabul and make territorial claims on Pakistan's ethnic Pashtun border regions.
"Supporting some antigovernment forces in Afghanistan is something that Pakistan has done for decades in order to have some leverage over the government of Afghanistan," Rubin said. "They did have a long-term commitment toward supporting ethnic Pashtun religious extremists in Afghanistan in order to assure that an Afghan government would side with Pakistan against India and would not raise the issue of the Pashtun territories. [That's because] the Pashtun Islamists -- unlike the Pashtun nationalists -- do not support that kind of ethnic issue against a fellow Muslim country."
Senior Western diplomats in Kabul told "The New York Times" this week that Pakistan's security services are allowing Taliban fighters to operate training camps in Pakistan and cross back into Afghanistan to conduct terrorist attacks aimed at undermining presidential elections there in October.
Pakistan's army calls that allegation "ridiculous." Pakistan's UN Ambassador Munir Akram told the UN Security Council yesterday that his country has taken extraordinary efforts to safeguard its border with Afghanistan, including the deployment of 75,000 troops.
Rubin agrees with authorities in Islamabad who argue that Pakistan's military does not control many parts of the tribal regions near the border. But Rubin said there are other reasons Taliban militants are not being arrested in Pakistan.
"The Pakistani military is moving against Al-Qaeda, [but] they're not doing anything against the Taliban. Most of the Taliban activities are not in the tribal territories," Rubin said. "They are in the city of Quetta. They are in Balochistan. They are in areas that are firmly under the control of the Pakistan government. Therefore, Pakistan has no credibility. They've been supplied with information about the exact location of various major Taliban leaders. And they have done nothing. Instead, whenever there is pressure on [Pakistan] about the Taliban, they arrest more Al-Qaeda people -- meaning people from Arab countries or from small extremist groups. But they do not move against the Taliban."
Rubin said that Pakistan is not trying to undermine Afghan Transitional Administration Chairman Hamid Karzai's government or create a new Taliban regime. But he believes that elements within the government or security services want to use Taliban militants for future leverage against pro-Indian officials in Kabul.
"They do not believe that the United States and the rest of the Western countries are going to stay in Afghanistan. They believe that it is quite possible -- maybe a year after the U.S. presidential election [in November] -- these countries will start drawing down their forces and abandon Afghanistan again," Rubin said. "And therefore, they believe it is inevitable that there will be another power struggle in Afghanistan in which various regional powers will try to position their allies within the government and within the society. They don't want to cut their ties to those who may be ready to defend their interest in Afghanistan when that struggle resumes again."
Rubin said the economic issues discussed during Karzai's two-day visit to Islamabad this week could eventually act as an important counterbalance to the policies of Pakistan's security services.
"In the past, the Pakistani military saw Afghanistan only as a potential security threat or a potential security asset. Now, Pakistan's business community -- which is becoming more assertive -- is seeing Afghanistan as a major opportunity," Rubin said. "They are starting to put forward the idea that a stable, reconstructed Afghanistan is strongly in Pakistan's interests because of the economic implications, regardless of the political coloration or ethnic composition of the government of the day in Kabul."
But Rubin concluded that Pakistan's security forces will continue to have the final word for now because there is no real public input into Pakistan's security policies and the military is not subject to any kind of civilian control or oversight.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_29-8-2004_pg7_7
Militants fire nine missiles in Razmak and Wana Military convoy heads towards Shakai
By Mujeebur Rehman
WANA: Militants attacked Frontier Corps base and a scouts camp in the North and South Waziristan agencies, officials told Daily Times on Saturday. No one was reported injured.
Six missiles were fired at the Frontier Corps troops base in Razmak town in North Waziristan Agency while three in Wana in South Waziristan Agency late on Friday night. Residents in Razmak said five missiles missed their target but one hit a shop, destroying it completely.
The second attack took place in Wana where three rockets were fired at the Wana Scouts Camp near Dhog village. Witnesses said one missile hit a nearby mountain, while a second landed inside the camp which houses top administration officials and military commanders. Security forces retaliated with mortar, hitting three houses in Dhog village. But no loss of life was reported.
Residents of Dhog village were angered at the security forces firing saying the missiles were not fired from their area and the security forces firing was unprovoked.
They called a meeting to warn the administration that the firing on their village would not be tolerated, adding that they would disband the night patrol committees if their area were targeted.
AP reported on Saturday that residents in Wana spotted a convoy of dozens of military jeeps and trucks some towing artillery heading toward Shakai, a rugged region north of Wana where the security forces have battled militant holdouts. In another incident, unidentified attackers kidnapped a tribesman after killing his driver near Sarnarai in Ludha in Southern Waziristan Agency early on Saturday, Online reported.
The attackers asked driver Yasin Khan to stop the vehicle on the Sarnarai main road, but he did not. The attackers fired at the vehicle killing the driver immediately. They later kidnapped Pao Jan, the vehicle owner and escaped. Police registered a case.
Sur Sarai can be located west of Ramzak on the SE Quadrant map."
How many trucks does it take to move a battery of towed artillery, with personnel and support?
How long does it take to unlimber the tubes, dig in the bunkers and perimeter ditches and get the guns registered? From arrival in column to accepting fire missions?
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