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Missile kills Pakistan tribal head
CNN ^ | Friday, June 18 | Syed Mohsin Naqvi

Posted on 06/17/2004 11:16:30 PM PDT by AdmSmith

ISLAMABAD (CNN) -- A tribal leader accused of harboring Al Qaeda militants in Pakistan's western border region was killed Thursday night in a targeted missile strike, according to Pakistan intelligence sources. The Associated Press quoted an army spokesman Friday as identifying the tribal leader as Nek Mohammed, a former Taliban fighter.

He was killed late Thursday at the home of another tribal chief, the spokesman said.

"We were tracking him down and he was killed last night by our hand," Maj. Gen. Shaukat Sultan told The Associated Press.

(Excerpt) Read more at edition.cnn.com ...


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To: Boot Hill

I will not see it, thus I will not give money to Moore.


341 posted on 07/14/2004 7:01:49 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: AdmSmith; Boot Hill; Cap Huff; Ernest_at_the_Beach; jeffers; Dog
Oh come on, Admiral! Where's your compassion? The poor guy's emaciated. No telling when he was able to afford three squares a day.


342 posted on 07/14/2004 8:22:30 AM PDT by Coop (In memory of a true hero- Pat Tillman)
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To: Coop


Why not send him here:
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/ISL257149.htm

Pakistan seeks U.S. intelligence in al Qaeda hunt
14 Jul 2004 14:10:41 GMT

By Mike Collett-White

PESHAWAR, Pakistan, July 14 (Reuters) - Pakistan has asked the United States for more intelligence to help its forces track down top al Qaeda figures such as Osama bin Laden believed to be hiding near the Afghan border, a top official said on Wednesday.

Brigadier Mehmood Shah, head of security in tribal agencies where tens of thousands of Pakistani troops are trying to flush out al Qaeda fighters, said he had no specific information about the whereabouts of bin Laden or his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahri.

"We haven't got any intelligence," he told Reuters in Peshawar, a city close to the Afghan border.

"In fact, we are asking our friends the Americans if they have any from the satellites, because they have better capabilities. I think they have not been able to give us that."

The United States has persistently put pressure on Pakistan to do more to crush Islamic militants, and on Wednesday Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage said in New Delhi that Pakistan should step up its crackdown on Taliban remnants.

The U.S. military suspects Taliban fighters are crossing into Afghanistan from Pakistan to wage an insurgency against the U.S.-backed government in Kabul.

But al Qaeda guerrillas hiding in Pakistan's lawless tribal belt have been more closely associated with militant attacks on targets inside Pakistan, including President Pervez Musharraf, who narrowly survived two assassination attempts in December.

The al Qaeda-linked fighters, among them Arabs, Chechens and Uzbeks, have been sheltered by some Pakistani tribes since the fall of the Taliban in late 2001 deprived bin Laden of his refuge in Afghanistan.

TRIBESMEN TURN ON MILITANTS

But in a new development that could make life more difficult for fugitive fighters, some Pakistani tribesmen have turned on a group of 100 to 150 foreign militants being hunted by government troops near the village of Shakai, Shah said.

"According to my information, yesterday when they (militants) were firing on the army, there was fire exchanged between the locals and those foreigners," he said.

"They are now in a destabilised state."

No "high value" targets were believed to be among the militants in the area, he added.

Some Pakistani tribesmen, including the Zali Kheil in South Waziristan, had sheltered and fought alongside al Qaeda suspects during Pakistani military operations in March and June in which a total of more than 200 people were killed.

South Waziristan is the southernmost of seven tribal agencies and lies 400 km (250 miles) southwest of Islamabad.

Shah said the group of 100 to 150 foreign fighters were holed up in mountains near Shakai, from where they were firing mortars at Pakistani forces.

On Tuesday, two children died of wounds sustained in one such attack near Shakai, said military spokesman Major-General Shaukat Sultan.

Shah urged the army to pursue the guerrillas before they dug in.

"It will take them time to get settled into a new area and we should not let them get settled," he said.

Armed resistance by up to 600 foreign fighters in tribal areas should drop off sharply if those near Shakai were routed, Shah said. But he warned that they could flee over the mountains into North Waziristan if given too much time.

Links between foreign militants in the tribal belt and violence in Pakistan have been weakened by military operations.

Shah said explosives used in one of the attempts on Musharraf's life were transported from tribal areas, and the attackers who fired on the corps commander's cavalcade in Karachi may have received orders from South Waziristan. (Additional reporting by Zeeshan Haider in ISLAMABAD)


343 posted on 07/14/2004 8:25:47 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: sheik yerbouty
Allahu Fubar!

Massive LOL!

344 posted on 07/14/2004 8:25:58 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Coop

You had to do that didn't you, Coop. Post that picture. Working hard to get my blood pressure down and then I have to unexpectedly look at that guy's mug. 180/100 in a nanosecond.


345 posted on 07/14/2004 8:44:58 AM PDT by Cap Huff
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To: Zack Nguyen

What is best in life? To destroy the jihadists, to drive their enablers before you, and to hear the lamentations of their media!


346 posted on 07/14/2004 8:45:53 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: Zack Nguyen

What is best in life? To destroy the jihadists, to drive their enablers before you, and to hear the lamentations of their media!


347 posted on 07/14/2004 8:45:58 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: Cap Huff
[grin]

If it's any consolation, I bet your BP is about 50 points better (upper & lower) than Meatloaf Moore's is.

348 posted on 07/14/2004 8:46:58 AM PDT by Coop (In memory of a true hero- Pat Tillman)
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To: Boot Hill
Get or build a second box, get you a KVM switch to share Monitor , keyboard and Mouse and dedicate the second one to Linux ( no fancy stuff in the box, plain vanilla ), grab SuSE 9.1 professional download, less than 30 minutes to an hour and come back on the internet. Download Firefox and use some Unix commands and you are ready to go. Don't use the Windows box on the internet any more than absolutely necessary! Much less troubles, don't check on Drudge, he even tries to crap up a Linux box.
349 posted on 07/14/2004 10:50:28 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (New Linux SUSE Pro 9.1 user here.)
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To: Cap Huff; nuconvert; jeffers; Dog
No more food to the Scarborough fair
http://www.paktribune.com/news/index.php?id=70776

Tribesmen again exposed to economic blockade Secret talks begin for settlement of wanted militants issue

Wednesday July 14, 2004 (1411 PST)

WANA, July 15 (Online): Government has once again clamped economic ban on local tribesmen for unspecified duration after lifting the ban it imposed earlier some days ago. Vehicles carrying fruits, vegetables and victuals were intercepted at Jandola check post and were denied onward movement.

The personnel manning the post told drivers of the vehicles/trucks that political agent had banned movement of the victuals.

Re-slapping of sanctions on tribesmen has outraged them and one fears that things in the area would worsen with this unwelcome development on the part of the residents of the area.

It is pertinent to mention here that the administration had imposed economic blockade in the area as part of its bid to browbeat aliens into getting registered with the government besides it also used it as a pressure tactics to ensure surrender of wanted tribesmen.

Government announced lifting of sanctions for ten days after some agreement reached between the tribesmen and the local administration on some matters.

Some tribesmen have also linked clamping of economic blockade to dissolution of 40-member conciliatory committee.

Meanwhile, the secret talks once again have started for settlement of matters between the government and the wanted militants.

Sources informed Online that MNA's Abdul Malik, Maulvi Meraj ud Din and former MNA, Maulvi Anwar Muhammad are playing active role with reference to the talks and met with the two most wanted militants including Javed Khan and Maulvi Abbas at some unknown place.

Later the 3-member delegation held meeting with the political administration and briefed them about their meeting with two most wanted militants.

Meanwhile Some unknown persons fired 3 rockets at Zalai Scouts fort, 25 kilometre from Wana. The army men and scouts retaliated the firing. However no loss of life has been reported.

Jirga fails to built consensus, Committee abolished

The tribal jirga in South Waziristan Agency Wednesday failed to develop consensus vis-à-vis action against wanted men as twenty nine member committee was dissolved.

The jirga had been summoned by twenty-nine-member committee to evolve a consensus on action against two wanted men including Javed Khan and Maulvi Abbas, however, the committee was dissolved due to differences between elders of Ahmedzai Wazir Tribe.

It is worth to mention here that the twenty-nine-member committee was formed to prepare a tribal Lashkar for taking action against wanted men.

The jirga, however, failed to achieve both the objectives of formulating a Lashkar and action against wanted men.

The differences emerged when the committee forwarded a proposal for abolishing houses of the wanted men. The tribal elders opposed the proposal saying that it is not a solution of the issue.

The tribal elders were of the view that since the committee has failed to resolve the issue for last many weeks; therefore, it could not be allowed to function anymore.
350 posted on 07/14/2004 1:31:34 PM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: AdmSmith
They are a stubborn people.
351 posted on 07/14/2004 1:52:23 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (New Linux SUSE Pro 9.1 user here.)
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To: AdmSmith; Coop; Dog; Cap Huff
We haven't got any intelligence”, he told Reuters in Peshawar...

I think that qualifies as a rare moment of candor!

--Boot Hill

352 posted on 07/14/2004 2:39:20 PM PDT by Boot Hill
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To: Boot Hill; Dog; Coop; Cap Huff; AdmSmith; nuconvert

Yes Boot, that helps, and I'll get at least the southern Lwara placed next time I update the relief map. The one near Khost is outside the northern extent of most of the detailed maps.

To all, I am about to create a series of maps detailing possible ingress routes around the perimeter of the Shawal Valley, and I'd like some input before doing so.

The idea will be similar to the Mantoi map I posted a few days ago in terms of area covered, but I have some specific questions and one general one.

1. Do you get more utility from a shaded relief overhead view (Shawal Shaded Relief Map) or from the two dimensional renderings of the three dimensional elevation models (Mantoi)?

Link for comparison purposes:
http://host1.in-motion.net/~jefft/tech/Mapping/afghanistan/index.html

2. On a straight overhead view, do you get more utility from a shaded relief overhead view or from a satellite image overhead view? On a 2D rendering of the 3D elevation model, do you get more utility from a shaded relief overlay or from a satelite image overlay? The villages rivers and roads can be draped over either background, and then draped over the 3D elevation model or simple viewed from directly overhead.

3. Would you like to see more villages marked or fewer villages marked? There are so many tiny villages in this area (over 100 within 10 miles of Razmak, for example) that there simply isn't room to place them all. I have tried to limit the ones noted to those which might indicate roads or trail systems over the passes. The odds are against my predicting exactly which villages may see combat in the future, so in that regard it seems better to place specific engagement villages as they take place in updated versions of the map.

4. What monitor resolution do you normally use?

5. Do you have access to an image browsing program that allows you to pan and zoom?

6. Does your internat connection make it reasonably efficient to download maps up to 1.5 megabytes in size? If not, what size are you comfortable with?

7. Would you prefer to see possible road and trail systems marked on the map, based on village locations and terrain restrictions, or do you prefer to make those estimations yourself? If you want them on the map, should they be visibly distinguished from known roads?

8. Generally, do you have suggestions for improvements not listed here?

No sense setting up a new series of maps without finding out what helps everyone understand the terrain. Thanks in advance for any help you might be able to offer.


353 posted on 07/14/2004 2:58:46 PM PDT by jeffers
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To: Coop

Why is this foul swine in my internet browser? I thought FR had rules about posting objectionable imagery of a disgusting nature.


354 posted on 07/14/2004 3:03:24 PM PDT by jeffers
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To: jeffers
The villages rivers and roads can be draped over either background, and then draped over the 3D elevation model

Sounds ok with me...

. What monitor resolution do you normally use?

Don't know...

5. Do you have access to an image browsing program that allows you to pan and zoom?

No.

6. Does your internat connection make it reasonably efficient to download maps up to 1.5 megabytes in size? If not, what size are you comfortable with?

I'm on a dial up...

355 posted on 07/14/2004 3:06:28 PM PDT by Dog
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
8   “Don't use the Windows box on the internet any more than absolutely necessary!”

I appreciate your suggestion. Your dual box, KVM solution is one that I've considered in the past from a security aspect, rather than platform stability. The problem I see is that, unless you want to pin a "kick me" sign on the Linux box, you also need anti-virus and firewall software. Not only does this requirement relate to Linux platform stability, but when you consider the files that you would be transferring from the Linux box to the Windows box, it raises questions of cross-platform infections. While I know there are AV and firewall solutions available for Linux, I remain unconvinced of their current compatibility, effectiveness and support.

How do you handle those problems?

--Boot Hill

356 posted on 07/14/2004 3:11:51 PM PDT by Boot Hill
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To: jeffers
Can you tweak the maps to show villages and the road system also show the rivers and streams.

I have this theory AQ is using the rivers to move around...less chance of being spotted.

357 posted on 07/14/2004 3:12:45 PM PDT by Dog
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To: jeffers
You are doing a terrific job with the maps. We should ask some of the lurkers to send you FReepmail on this.

5) What program do you suggest?
6)No problem with bandwidth.
7)Roads etc please
358 posted on 07/14/2004 3:14:44 PM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: Dog

Exactly how you do this depends on which version of windows you are running, but in Win98 you can right click in the clear area of the desktop, then click on "Properties" and then click on "Settings" to find out. The resolution will be in the area marked "Screen Area" and will probably be either 800x600, 1024x768, or 1600x1280.

Again depending on your operating system, you can open Windows Imaging, Start>Programs>Accessories>Imaging to get some rudimentary image browsing capabilities, such as pan and zoom.

Files up to 500k will come across a 56k dialup connection in a couple minutes, so I'll try to keep them smaller than that.

Thanks for the input.

:-)


359 posted on 07/14/2004 3:23:31 PM PDT by jeffers
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To: Boot Hill
While I know there are AV and firewall solutions available for Linux, I remain unconvinced of their current compatibility, effectiveness and support.

Well i am unconvinced of the Security tools on the Windows side which is where 95% of the attacks are directed.

See this :

PestPatrol Shares Spyware Lessons ( Company will offer database of known... free.)

The magnitude of the problem is growing rapidly, well beyond just viruses, new exposures with internet Explorer being discovered everyday.

From Pest patrols entry:

Analyses from 4,140,000 pest reports submitted by PestPatrol users in the past 4 weeks, information on 124,146 pest objects (registry entries, directories, files), descriptions of 20,844 pests, and more.

360 posted on 07/14/2004 3:31:06 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (New Linux SUSE Pro 9.1 user here.)
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