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Missile kills Pakistan tribal head
CNN ^ | Friday, June 18 | Syed Mohsin Naqvi

Posted on 06/17/2004 11:16:30 PM PDT by AdmSmith

ISLAMABAD (CNN) -- A tribal leader accused of harboring Al Qaeda militants in Pakistan's western border region was killed Thursday night in a targeted missile strike, according to Pakistan intelligence sources. The Associated Press quoted an army spokesman Friday as identifying the tribal leader as Nek Mohammed, a former Taliban fighter.

He was killed late Thursday at the home of another tribal chief, the spokesman said.

"We were tracking him down and he was killed last night by our hand," Maj. Gen. Shaukat Sultan told The Associated Press.

(Excerpt) Read more at edition.cnn.com ...


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To: AdmSmith

This sort of thing can't hurt.


1,221 posted on 02/18/2005 8:40:11 AM PST by aculeus
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To: AdmSmith
"We were tracking him down and he was killed last night by our hand," Maj. Gen. Shaukat Sultan told The Associated Press"

Now I ask you, is that a politically correct way to run an operation?

Hell yea!

1,222 posted on 02/18/2005 8:42:58 AM PST by patriot_wes (papal infallibility - a proud tradition since 1869)
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To: Cap Huff

OBL is now going to have to raise the amounts of his protection money !


1,223 posted on 02/18/2005 8:57:36 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Cap Huff; Coop; AdmSmith; nuconvert; Boot Hill

Can we please catch OBL...so we can retire old Nek's thread.


1,224 posted on 02/18/2005 1:00:22 PM PST by Dog (FReepers-- - -- --- We are a battery of 80,000 bullsh*t-seeking missiles.)
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To: Dog; AdmSmith

I think Admsmtih and I started on this last April on a previous thread or 2. So, it would be nice to close this out before the 1st anniversary.


1,225 posted on 02/18/2005 2:26:43 PM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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To: Dog; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Cap Huff; Coop; nuconvert; Boot Hill; Snapple; jeffers
This would increase the probability of nice catches:

http://hipakistan.com/en/detail.php?newsId=en76176&F_catID

Vehicle identification system to be launched in twin cities shortly

ISLAMABAD: The National Database and Registration Authority (Nadra) will shortly launch the Vehicle Identification and Tracking System in Islamabad and Rawalpindi, the Director General (Projects) of Nadra Brigaider (r) Zubair Ahmad said on Wednesday.

Talking to the state-run television, he said, it is a modern and high-tech system that would be used to check the misuse and theft of cars through a tracker chip fixed on each vehicle's screen called Vehicle Identification and Tracking Numbers (VITN). He said that Nadra would issue the VITN to the applicants on a secure document. The vehicle information, including ownership history, tax payments and endorsement, would be available to the law enforcement agencies through online access, he said.

Zubair said that initially trans-receivers and antennas would be fixed at about 10 existing points of the city to read the details of every car/vehicle, and later it would be placed at every police checkpoint, all major bridges and entry points of the city. He said it would be mandatory for every vehicle to get the VITN. The vehicles not allotted the VITN would be automatically identified, photographed and checked while others would also be read and monitored, he added.
1,226 posted on 02/24/2005 10:17:23 AM PST by AdmSmith
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To: AdmSmith; Cap Huff; Coop; Boot Hill

Faster ADM... we need them to catch Osama.....hurry.....:-)


1,227 posted on 02/24/2005 12:55:55 PM PST by Dog (FReepers-- - -- --- We are a battery of 80,000 bullsh*t-seeking missiles.)
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To: AdmSmith

The "twin cities" ?

You mean they think Osama is in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area?


1,228 posted on 02/24/2005 8:11:27 PM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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To: DevSix

Ping (myself for the maps - Great info on this thread).


1,229 posted on 03/04/2005 7:40:18 PM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: DevSix; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Cap Huff; Coop; AdmSmith; nuconvert; Boot Hill; POA2
Captured militants are from Qatar, Albania and Somalia

PESHAWAR: The four foreign militants captured in the military operation in a border village in North Waziristan on March 5 include one each from Qatar, Albania, Somalia and Tajikistan.

Official sources told The News that the four men, along with seven others who are Pakistanis, were being interrogated at a military station. The sources said one of the two foreigners killed in action belonged to Sudan. The other man had not been conclusively identified but he could either be an Arab national or Chechen. It is the first time that information about the identity of the militants who were killed or captured in an operation has been provided to the media.

Elite troops took part in the raid on a compound in Dewgar, a village near Saidgai in North Waziristan tribal agency, in the early hours last Saturday. The village is near the border with Afghanistan's Khost province. Across the border is the complex of six former Afghan Mujahideen training camps in Zhawara village. Osama bin Laden held his famous press conference in one of these camps in May 1998 and declared "Jihad" against the US and Israel from the platform of the International Islamic Front for Jihad Against the Crusaders and Jews. In August the same year, the camps were attacked by the US with Tomahawk cruise missiles but bin Laden and his top lieutenants had already left the place.

Unlike past military operations in North Waziristan and South Waziristan in which excessive force aided by helicopters was used, the latest action involved less number of troops and choppers. A military official, requesting anonymity, described it as a low-key but swift operation backed by strong intelligence.

The compound used as a hideout by the militants belonged to a Wazir tribesman named Ghazal. He too was netted along with another tribesman Noor Ayaz. Also arrested were three men from Karachi and one each from Peshawar and Tank districts. Some of the Pakistanis who were captured reportedly confessed that they had come for "Jihad." The four foreign militants caught in the operation belong to countries located in three continents, ie Qatar, Albania, Somalia and Tajikistan.

Two persons were injured in the raid. One was a woman belonging to the homeowner Ghazal's family. The troops seized three rocket-launchers, 28 grenades, two RPG-7 rockets, eight sub-machineguns, one light machinegun and five anti-tank mines.

http://hipakistan.com/en/detail.php?newsId=en76696&F_catID=&f_type=source

A posting any day keeps the AQ away...
1,230 posted on 03/08/2005 12:34:58 AM PST by AdmSmith
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To: Dog
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/GC08Ak01.html

Why can't the US find bin Laden?
By Andrew Tully

WASHINGTON - US President George W Bush says he has no illusion about the difficulties his government faces in trying to catch Osama bin Laden. According to Bush, finding bin Laden and thwarting his plans are "the greatest challenge of our day".

He highlighted the urgency, saying: "Recently we learned that Osama bin Laden has urged the [Iraq-based suspected] terrorist [Abu Musab al-] Zarqawi to form a group to conduct attacks outside Iraq, including here in the United States. We're on a constant hunt for bin Laden. We're keeping the pressure on him, keeping him in hiding. And today Zarqawi understands that coalition and Iraqi troops are on a constant hunt for him as well."

But the hunt for bin Laden so far has been fruitless. Two months ago, General Pervez Musharraf, the president of Pakistan, said his trail had "gone cold". And on March 1, General John Abizaid, the man in charge of the US part of the search, cautioned Congress that success is not guaranteed.

Kenneth Allard says he wholeheartedly agrees with Abizaid's assessment. Allard, a retired US Army colonel who served as an intelligence officer, tells RFE/RL that a manhunt is not the right job for an army.

"Military forces typically do not engage in the apprehension of individuals," Allard says. "Our stock in trade is taking down a regime. It's like looking for individual grains of sand, when your objective is to shovel out a foundation. We do a great job of foundation digging. We don't do a very good job of finding individual grains with names on them."

But Allard says it is likely that US special forces and paramilitary personnel of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), are part of the search. He says they are trained not to fight pitched battles but to undertake missions such as the hunt for bin Laden and are prepared to fight only in emergencies.

The next question, Allard says, is what happens if bin Laden is eventually captured? He says if bin Laden is killed, many Muslims probably would revere him as a martyr. If he is captured alive, he could speak at his trial to rally his fellow militants.

Either way, according to Allard, Americans can expect bin Laden's followers to mount vengeance strikes in the US.

But Allard says this probably would leave Americans no more vulnerable to attack than they are now. And he adds that failing to capture bin Laden is not an option, and that the US is better off if bin Laden is dead.

"I would much rather have the dead Osama as a potential martyr than a live Osama running around right now," Allard says. "Because the most powerful symbol that he exerts to his followers is that he has been able to defy the United States. He's been able to pull off [the attacks of September 11, 2001] and effectively get away with it. Symbols really matter."

But symbols have limited value, according to Nathan Brown, who specializes in Middle Eastern affairs at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, a private policy-research center in Washington.

Brown points out that the US is not just fighting al-Qaeda but many additional groups with at best only a loose affiliation with bin Laden's organization. Now that bin Laden has inspired them, he says, they can act autonomously.

"Capturing or killing [bin Laden] wouldn't end the problem that he's come to symbolize," Brown says. "What he managed to do was to get disparate groups together and get them to focus on attacking Western targets rather than their own governments. But it's unclear that he's really knitted those disparate groups into one single movement. And so cutting it off at the top is not going to completely end what those various groups do."

Brown says he prefers to sidestep the question of whether the US would benefit more from a dead bin Laden than a living one. Instead, he says: "Putting [bin Laden] on trial raises all kinds of difficult issues, because you are giving him a platform by which he can address his various constituencies. And he can speak fairly effectively to those constituencies. So in a sense, a trial would be a very mixed blessing for the United States."

Brown says that while he expects capturing bin Laden would have no immediate effect, it might pay off in the long term. It could discourage some young Muslim men from joining militant groups.
1,231 posted on 03/08/2005 12:43:11 AM PST by AdmSmith
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To: AdmSmith
"The four foreign militants captured in the military operation...include one each from Qatar, Albania, Somalia and Tajikistan. The sources said one of the two foreigners killed in action belonged to Sudan."

Is this an example of diversity in action, or something more akin to scraping the bottom of the barrel?

--Boot Hill

1,232 posted on 03/08/2005 12:48:52 AM PST by Boot Hill ("...and Josuha went unto him and said: art thou for us, or for our adversaries?")
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To: Boot Hill
I guess that they did not have the money to leave earlier; they are probably remnants from the Taliban days. Most of the others left prior to the start of the operations in Afghanistan.
1,233 posted on 03/08/2005 2:06:55 AM PST by AdmSmith
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To: AdmSmith
It is the first time that information about the identity of the militants who were killed or captured in an operation has been provided to the media.

Interesting to some extent? - What's the purpose for this (if any) - The cynic would suggest the release of more detailed information like this is to simply give the "look" that the fight is still "really being taken" to AQ by Pak forces-

But perhaps there is more to it then that - Is there a "Western" source / leaker to this report? - If so, my guess is an HVT just might fall inside Pak before March ends.

1,234 posted on 03/08/2005 7:10:44 PM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: AdmSmith
Fish in Search of a Sea

A look at the post 9/11 world for Uzbek terrorists.

1,235 posted on 03/10/2005 7:26:52 PM PST by Straight Vermonter (Liberalism: The irrational fear of self reliance.)
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To: Straight Vermonter; nuconvert; Coop; Boot Hill; Dog; Snapple; Cap Huff; Saberwielder

When will Musharaff deliver the enforcement of the Madrassa Registration and Regulation Ordinance 2002?

http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/sair/index.htm

OUTH ASIA INTELLIGENCE REVIEW
Weekly Assessments & Briefings Volume 3, No. 35, March 14, 2005


Schooling for Terror
Guest Writer: Amir Mir
Senior Assistant Editor, Monthly Herald, Dawn Group of Newspapers, Karachi

General Pervez Musharraf's much-publicized plans to modernize the country's 10,000 religious seminaries have met with little success primarily because of his administration's failure to enforce the Madrassa Registration and Regulation Ordinance 2002, which was meant to reform deeni madaris (religious seminaries) by bringing them into the educational mainstream.

Three years after the first commando President of Pakistan promised sweeping reforms to ensure that the religious schools are not used any further to propagate extremist Islam, the country's traditional religious school system that is now rotten to the core, continues to operate as the key breeding ground for the radical Islamist ideology and as the recruitment centre for terrorist networks.

The campaign to reform the country's notorious deeni madaris was launched by General Musharraf in a bid to fight extremism in the aftermath of the September 11, 2001, terror attacks on the United States. Many of the Pakistanis who fought alongside al-Qaeda and Taliban troops in Afghanistan had been educated in these religious seminaries, which are spread across the country. The privately funded Islamic schools are commonplace throughout Pakistan and a majority of them owe their existence to General Zia's Islamisation drive. The curriculum offered there is undeveloped and pertains mostly to religious instruction. Some of the books taught, including Mathematics, date back hundreds of years. The result is, the madaris graduates simply cannot compete against others for employment. Absent any real understanding of society and social complexities, they want destruction. They seek to bring society onto their own level, and the only thing they identify with is the religion.

Yet these madaris do provide free education along with boarding and lodging, and this attracts the poor. There are no exact figures about how many madaris may be operating in Pakistan, but rough estimates suggest that there are some one million students studying in over 10,000 madaris.

Since the beginning of 2002, General Musharraf has campaigned to reform the religious schools. In a televised address to the nation in January 2002, the General unveiled a new strategy which would see madaris teach Mathematics, Science, English, Economics and even Computer Science alongside their traditional Islamic programme. "My only aim is to help these institutions overcome their weaknesses and providing them with better facilities and more avenues to the poor children at these institutions. These schools are excellent welfare set-ups where the poor get free board and lodge. And very few madaris run by hardliner parties promote negative thinking and propagate hatred and violence instead of inculcating tolerance, patience and fraternity", said Musharraf in his address.

While embarking on several initiatives to combat zealotry and broaden educational offerings, the Musharraf administration announced a number of measures to make deeni madaris participate in the modernization programme. These reforms included a five-year, $1 billion Education Sector Reform Assistance (ESRA) plan to ensure inclusion of secular subjects in syllabi of religious seminaries; a $100 million bilateral agreement to rehabilitate hundreds of public schools by United States Agency for International Development (USAID), besides increasing access to quality education and the enforcement of Madrassa Registration and Regulation Ordinance 2002 which required deeni madaris to audit their funding and foreign students to register with the Government. At the same time, a Federal Madaris Education Board was established to enable the students at the religious schools to benefit from the national education system by learning Mathematics, English and vocational sciences in addition to the normal madrassa education.

However, three years down the road since Musharraf's historic January 2002 announcement, the so-called modernization campaign has largely failed, and hardly a few cosmetic changes could be introduced in the madrassa system. Most of the religious leaders and Islamist organisations rejected the Government legislation requiring religious seminaries to register and broaden their curricula beyond rote Koranic learning. Under the reform programme, drafted on the advice of the Bush administration and financed by USAID, special Government committees were constituted to supervise and monitor the educational and financial matters and policies of deeni madaris. Most of these schools are sponsored by the country's leading religious parties, be it Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam, Jamiat Ulema-Pakistan, or Jamat-e-Islami Pakistan, while many others are affiliated with jehadi groups which preach an extremist ideology of religious warfare.

The result is that the deeni madaris are increasingly seen as breeding grounds for the foot-soldiers of the global menace of militant Islam, who are motivated and trained to wage jehad - be it in Kashmir, Afghanistan, Bosnia, Chechnya, or other parts of the world. Thus the Bush Administration believed that there were madaris in Pakistan that, in addition to religious training, give military training to their students. Probably acting under these very apprehensions, the office of US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld leaked in October 2003 a secret memo, perhaps deliberately, to the American media. In the memo, which was actually intended for Rumsfeld's top military and civilian subordinates, the American Defence Secretary wondered: "Is the US capturing, killing or deterring and dissuading more terrorists every day than the madrassas and the radical Muslim clerics are recruiting, training and deploying against America?"

Three months later in January 2004, the International Crisis Group (ICG) report titled, Unfulfilled Promises: Pakistan's Failure to Tackle Extremism further strengthened the American fears. The report stated: "The failure to curb rising extremism in Pakistan stems directly from the military Government's own unwillingness to act against its political allies among the religious groups. Having co-opted the religious parties to gain constitutional cover for his military rule, Musharraf is highly reliant on the religious right for his regime's survival." The ICG report observed that Pakistan's failure to close madrassas and to crack down on jehadi networks has resulted in a resurgence of domestic extremism and sectarian violence. "The Government inaction continues to pose a serious threat to domestic, regional and international security. If the US and others continue to restrict their pressure on Musharraf to verbal warnings, the rise of extremism in Pakistan will continue unchecked. By increasing pressure on Pakistan, a major source of jehadis will be shut off and Islamic militancy, as a whole will decrease", the ICG stated in its concluding paragraph.

Almost a year later, in December 2004, a report produced by the Congressional Research Service (CRS) presented to the American Congress pointed out: "Although General Musharraf vowed to begin regulating Pakistan's religious schools, and his Government launched a five-year plan to bring the teaching of formal or secular subjects to 8,000 willing madrassas, no concrete action was taken until June of that year, when 115 madrassas were denied access to Government assistance due to their alleged links to militancy; Despite Musharraf's repeated pledges to crack down on the more extremist madrassas in his country, there is little concrete evidence that he has done so. According to two observers, most madrassas remain unregistered, their finances unregulated, and the Government has yet to remove the jehadist and sectarian content of their curricula. Many speculate that Musharraf's reluctance to enforce reform efforts is rooted in his desire to remain on good terms with Pakistan's Islamist political parties, which are seen to be an important part of his political base."

The Lahore-based Daily Times wrote in its February 25, 2005, editorial titled 'Madrassa registration has become a joke': "The National Security Council, we are being told, is going to discuss the issue of registering the madrassas. Might we ask what has happened to the much-touted madrassa registration ordinance 2002? Apparently nothing! ;The facts are interesting. Registration forms were sent out to all the madrassas after which the Government waited for the seminaries to get themselves registered. That did not happen. The number of madrassas that did register was a bit of a joke. What did the Government do? Nothing! Why cannot the all-powerful General Musharraf follow up on an eminently sensible scheme?"

However, a World Bank-sponsored working paper published in February 2005 came up with a new angle, stating that "enrolment in the Pakistani madrassas, that critics believe are misused by militants, has been exaggerated by media and a US 9/11 report." The study claimed that less than one per cent of the school-going children in Pakistan go to madrassas, and the proportion has remained constant in some districts since 2001. The study titled "Religious School Enrolment in Pakistan: A Look at the Data", conducted by Jishnu Das of the World Bank, Asim Ijaz Khwaja and Tristan Zajonc of Harvard University and Tahir Andrabi of Pomona College, sought to dispel general perceptions that enrolment was on the rise saying: "We find no evidence of a dramatic increase in madrassa enrolment in recent years". The funding for the report was provided by the World Bank through Knowledge for Change Trust Fund.

The World Bank study found western media reports highly exaggerated in terms of number of student and total religious schools. "The figures reported by international newspapers such as the Washington Post, saying there were 10 per cent enrolment in madrassas, and an estimate by the International Crisis Group of 33 per cent, were not correct. It is troubling that none of the reports and articles reviewed based their analysis on publicly available data or established statistical methodologies. Bold assertions have been made in policy reports and popular articles on the high and increasing enrolment in Pakistani religious schools". The study found no evidence of a dramatic increase in madrassa enrolment in recent years, stating that the share of madrassas in total enrolment declined before 1975 and has increased slowly since then. Since 2001, total enrolment in madrassas has remained constant in some districts and increased in others, the report added.

However, the South Asia Director of ICG, Samina Ahmed, has challenged the findings of the World Bank study, which questioned the validity of madrassa enrolment statistics provided by the ICG and other expert analysts. Ahmed was quoted in the Dawn newspaper on March 11, 2005, stating: "The authors (of the World Bank report) have insisted that there are at most 475,000 children in Pakistani madrassas, yet Federal Religious Affairs Minister Ejazul Haq says the country's madrassas impart religious education to 1,000,000 children." She asserted that the World Bank findings were directly at odds with the ministry of education's 2003 directory, which said the number of madrassas had increased from 6,996 in 2001 to 10,430. She added that the madrassa unions themselves had put the figure at 13,000 madaris with the total number of students enrolled at 1.5 to 1.7 million.

Questioning the methodology of the World Bank study, Ahmed said: "The trouble is that the authors based their analysis on three questionable sources: the highly controversial 1998 census; household surveys that were neither designed nor conducted to elicit data on madrassa enrolment, and a limited village-based household educational census conducted by the researchers themselves in only three of 102 districts." She said the 1998 census was not only out of date as the authors themselves admitted, but their 2003 educational census was also of little value because it was based on a representative sample of villages, suggesting madaris were mainly a rural phenomenon. She quoted a 2002 survey conducted by the Institute of Policy Studies which found that a majority of madrassa students came from backward areas. "If the findings of the World Bank study were to be taken at face value, then Pakistan and the international community had little cause to worry about an educational sector that glorified jehad and indoctrinated children in religious intolerance and extremism", the ICG director concluded.

In short, the Musharraf regime's failure to reform the country's 10,000 religious seminaries and to crack down on jehadi networks has resulted in a resurgence of extremism and sectarian violence in the country. The Pakistani military dictator's priority has never been eradicating Islamic extremism, but rather the legitimization and consolidation of his dictatorial rule, for which he seems dependent on the clergy. And the mushroom growth of extremists will continue unabated until and unless the Mullah-Military alliance in Pakistan is effectively put to an end.


1,236 posted on 03/14/2005 9:44:54 AM PST by AdmSmith
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To: AdmSmith

Sorry, it should be SOUTH ASIA INTELLIGENCE REVIEW not OUTH ASIA INTELLIGENCE REVIEW ;-)


1,237 posted on 03/14/2005 9:47:25 AM PST by AdmSmith
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To: AdmSmith
The problem is that Musharraf is playing the game of setting one mullah against another in order to keep himself in power. He got his consitutional status extended by cutting a deal with the MMA. Then they were given the boot. Now, Musharraf has made a deal with Maulana Samiul Haq to try and split the MMA.

Maulana Sami of course is the man in charge of the notorious Haqqania madrassa congolmerate in whose schools Mullah Omar and most of the Taliban leadership studied in. Sami also has a relatioship with OBL that goes decades back.

Is Musharraf really going to crack down on the madrassas - the place where these mullahs make money by shaking down wealthy Pakistanis and Saudi sheikhs? Don't bet on it.

1,238 posted on 03/14/2005 11:43:59 AM PST by Saberwielder
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To: Saberwielder

Are we providing him with a 20% boost of his economy? Then he should deliver something else than just words.


1,239 posted on 03/14/2005 11:53:45 AM PST by AdmSmith
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To: AdmSmith
Unfortunately this is one of those things where the administration feels that it's not as important as the tactical help we are getting from Pakistan on the anti-terror front on a day to day basis. Anit-terrorism should be our top priority but we cannot afford to totally ignore the madrassa situation.

Curiously, the fact is that we ourselves are not putting the money where our mouth is. Out of the $700 million annual aid we are giving to Pak, a mere $20 million is allocated for education assistance. But the flipside is that Pakistani education system is so f'd up that it cannot absorb multi-hundred million dollar aid annually.

If we are really serious, we should nudge Musharraf to allocate more to education, get help from Western NGOs and build quality secular public schools on a war footing and build up the absorptive capacity of the Pakistani education infrastructure. But unless Pakistan is wiling to take the leap, our money will end up going down the drain and that's part of the calculation where we are sending puny amounts there.

1,240 posted on 03/14/2005 12:22:44 PM PST by Saberwielder
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