Posted on 06/17/2004 11:20:09 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever
Bettinelli reports:
I just got this message from Rod Dreher:
"On Sunday, The Dallas Morning News will begin publishing the results of a major yearlong investigation into a largely uncovered aspect of the Catholic sex abuse scandal. The series of stories are international in scope, and will make headlines nationally and overseas. I’m not at liberty to disclose details yet, but I’ve seen advanced copies of the articles, and they are devastating. I believe at this point, more details will be available on Friday morning, when one of the reporters on the series does an interview on National Public Radio’s “Morning Edition.” The stories will be available on the dallasnews.com website starting either late Saturday night or early Sunday morning.
I expect these stories to dominate conversation among concerned American Catholics next week, and into the early summer (because there will be much more to come; next week’s series only reveals part of what our reporters have uncovered and documented). These findings give lie to the claim from Church officialdom that this scandal is over. The cover-up continues."
Rod Dreher confirms:
"Not only stories, but photographs. I’ve seen the planned cover of Sunday’s DMN. The picture they’re going to run is a jaw-dropper...I hate to tell you this, but the bishops already know. They have known. They hoped you and I wouldn’t find out. That’s part of the story... Also, our people are now talking to national media about this. Starting Friday night, you might be seeing stuff about this. I’ll let Dom and others know if any early media appearances are scheduled."
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This is an odd statement. What on earth about the pre-Vatican II Church would have prevented you from marrying, especially since marriage prepartion was abysmal?
You would have married, and your annulment would have been harder to obtain, Deborah. Be thankful you're alive now.
But there are others who cannot deal with the pain of divorce so readily. I did not mean to infer that this weekend was for you personally.
It has rewards for everyone who attends, however.
Presnetations are given my people like me, my husband died from lung cancer.
Then there is a reflection time for writing and thinking.
Then a small group where many find out that they are not walking the path through grief all alone.
It ends with a Mass. But many Catholics attend also. Very healing weekend.
Presnetations
Presentations
But many Catholics attend also
But many people of other religions attend also.
(Maybe I should stop posting) LOL!
Have you been reading these posts? When it's a Catholic who does the bashing it's okay?
no sinkypoo, I wouldn't have married. But even if I did, it was invalid and eventually would have been ruled so.
Whatever, Debbie.
Maybe to make sure the man/woman isn't divorced because of something like unrepented adultery on their part (which would automatically exclude one from Holy Communion due to mortal sin)?
All of my great grandparents and one set of grandparents were separated for years and years because a divorce, in those days, was just about the worst thing you could do... in the minds of the laity, as well. You might not be excommunicated from the Church, but the neighbors and most of your family sure treated you like a leper! One set of great grandparents lived a made up a story that my g-grandfather was asthmatic and needed to be in a farm setting in New Hampshire for his health - although the wife and kids lived in Boston. This went on for 20 years, until he died. Another set maintained separate apartments for years.
My mother had an affair with a priest back in the early 70s, my parents divorced because of it and us kids were subject to many priestly talks by parish priests who thought my mother was a paragon of virtue because she was a Mass attender, pretty and nice. They would stop us and give us talks on how we should be more cooperative at home and help out my mother. Clueless. Oh yes, my mother applied for an annulment, my father opposed it and she got it anyway. She married again in the Church a few years later (not to the priest).
Took me a long time to get over it all and separate the men from the faith. Hard lesson learned early in life. Although the scandals are gross and ugly, I can weather them because I learned early on to ignore the barnacles and find out what the Church really taught and not just accept what someone told me.
Anyway, whatever happened to your family and whatever the stituation was, you didn't get support from the one place you should have been able to go to in times of need, and that hurts deeply. I'm sorry for the pain I know your family must have gone through. I'll keep you in my prayers and I hope that when you get sick of the liberalism and uncertainty of where you are now, you will come back home!
Beautiful. Thank you for sharing.
Most of our church is exCatholics. I don't need to read whitewashed material but I'm sure you meant well.
The Judeo Christian God is certainly not synonymous with the Catholic church. The teachings and deeds are worlds apart. In fact they are opposite ends of the moral spectrum.
I stand by my statement. I don't know how you can still defend this "church".
The Judeo Christian God is certainly not synonymous with the Catholic church. The teachings and deeds are worlds apart. In fact they are opposite ends of the moral spectrum.
I believe it is you that needs to do some introspection on what your "church" promotes and what it does. There is no need for me to "expand" on this. Every time you turn around, hypocrisy speaks from the pope.
"Yes, we put our faith in this Church, because, regardless of what the men in charge do, or how some of them misrepresent the intents, it is still the True Church that Christ Jesus founded. Plenty of Catholics still recognize the hypocrisy of some (a very few) priests and bishops, and yet there is a way to criticize for this without bashing the Church."
You might want to try putting your faith in God then you wouldn't have this blindness. Jesus Christ is the foundation of the Christian faith. He certainly did not found Catholicism. The "church" is the body of believers in Christ. You would know this if you were familiar with what the Bible states.
Simply chosing the name of Catholic (univesal) doesn't make it the teachings of Christ. You ought to read the Bible and compare. You will see a world of difference in teachings and deeds when you compare it to Christ and what is in the Bible.
Legitmate criticism is not "bashing".
"If we had been better educated on the Church, we would be able to explain things quite a bit better, and understand more of our own Faith."
I am not a Catholic and never will be. I can't be since your teachings are not Biblically aligned. So don't include me in your idea of "Faith".
"For a start, which tradition presents the complete, rational and whole position against abortion?"
I don't need "tradition" to determine that abortion is not right in the eyes of God.
I'm not familiar with "Jack Chick" or whatever his name is. I am familiar with the Bible, which you apparently are not.
So, just because your neighborhood school makes immoral pronouncements with the distribution of condoms, "sex-education", and homosexual claptrap, that makes teacher-child sexual abuse less harmfull to children and less newsworthy than when a homo priest does it? Even when said teacher-child sexual abuse is far more rampant than priestly sexual abuse? That's one heck of an interesting notion. A notion that the liberal media apparently agrees with you on.
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