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| June 16, 2004
| Domenico Bettenelli, Jr.
Posted on 06/17/2004 11:20:09 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever
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To: GOP Soccer Mom
321
posted on
06/17/2004 8:24:56 PM PDT
by
hummingbird
("If it wasn't for the insomnia, I could have gotten some sleep!")
To: Canticle_of_Deborah
And btw, my Mom excommunicated herself for a few years in the early 60's by marrying outside the FaithShe didn't "excommunicate" herself. She placed herself outside the graces of the Church, but did not leave the Church.
Excommunication is a specific penalty for a specific action. Sin does NOT equal excommunication.
322
posted on
06/17/2004 8:27:53 PM PDT
by
sinkspur
(There's no problem on the inside of a kid that the outside of a dog can't cure.)
To: NYer
**The only ones left to implicate in this scandal are those we have always suspected, that have escaped public exposure.**
Such as Mahoney?
323
posted on
06/17/2004 8:29:58 PM PDT
by
Salvation
(†With God all things are possible.†)
To: sinkspur
I've got plenty of heart but I don't like liars. I stayed away from this thread til now. When a poster tells outright falsehoods it's time to step in.
To: Canticle_of_Deborah
When a poster tells outright falsehoods it's time to step in. There have been no falsehoods, unless you're referring to the ancients, who were scandalized by a women left by her husband.
325
posted on
06/17/2004 8:33:11 PM PDT
by
sinkspur
(There's no problem on the inside of a kid that the outside of a dog can't cure.)
To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Oh, for pity's sake, Peach was seven years old when all this happened. Give her a break. All she knows is that the Catholic church was not warm and fuzzy about her family's trauma. Any religion that is so dogmatic that it does not relate to the weakest of it's parishoners is worthless. The Bible says that who so ever believeth in him shall have everlasting last life, it doesn't mention anything about unless you break the rules of the Catholic church.
326
posted on
06/17/2004 8:35:31 PM PDT
by
Eva
To: r9etb
**I can -- for example, suppose that there were priests who "shared" their conquests with other priests. Suppose there were websites, pictures, and "procurement agencies." Suppose there were all sorts of Catholic clergy, up to and including bishops (and higher?) involved.**
And with an international flair from what I can fathom.
327
posted on
06/17/2004 8:35:55 PM PDT
by
Salvation
(†With God all things are possible.†)
To: Alberta's Child
I would challenge anyone who makes such an assertion to cite a specific source in Catholic doctrine in support of that claim.
I'm pretty sure its not doctrine (LOL); like Peach, all I have is anecdotal. I know it has happened as Peach has described although I don't know how pervasive it was...I'm talking 1950 - 1960's era. Vatican II might have something to do with why you don't hear about this type of thing today but there certainly were whisperings about why "so and so" wasn't at Mass Pre-Vatican II and I know that an abandoned spouse/family was, unfortunately, one scandal the Parish I was in would not tolerate. Pity...just when help was needed the most.
328
posted on
06/17/2004 8:36:15 PM PDT
by
hummingbird
("If it wasn't for the insomnia, I could have gotten some sleep!")
To: maryz
You're right about the situation. I remember it was even worse in the 50s. As far as I know, though, it was priests who were either badly educated in the faith or had other problems.
I agree, maryz...the Church was quite different in the 1950 & 1960's.
329
posted on
06/17/2004 8:38:32 PM PDT
by
hummingbird
("If it wasn't for the insomnia, I could have gotten some sleep!")
To: Eva
Any religion that is so dogmatic that it does not relate to the weakest of it's parishoners is worthless.Yep.
330
posted on
06/17/2004 8:38:52 PM PDT
by
sinkspur
(There's no problem on the inside of a kid that the outside of a dog can't cure.)
To: Eva
I'm not criticizing Peach for wounds incurred as a 7 year old. I take issue with her erroneous assertions TODAY about the Catholic Church and divorce. I've been through the process.
Any religion that is so dogmatic that it does not relate to the weakest of it's parishoners is worthless.
Any poster who bashes Catholics like you just did must be pretty worthless herself. How disgusting.
To: Salvation
And many of the Catholics treated in that way with falsehoods are now coming back to the Church.
That is wonderful news! Even with its problems, I love the Catholic Church. We (all Christians) can't help our inherited sinful nature but we can strive to be more Christlike.
332
posted on
06/17/2004 8:43:57 PM PDT
by
hummingbird
("If it wasn't for the insomnia, I could have gotten some sleep!")
To: sinkspur; narses; Land of the Irish; ultima ratio; Viva Christo Rey; AAABEST
Any religion that is so dogmatic that it does not relate to the weakest of it's parishoners is worthless. Yep.
330 posted on 06/17/2004 8:38:52 PM PDT by sinkspur
Let me get this straight. A "Catholic" deacon just called the Catholic Church worthless. sink, I rarely if ever have made an issue out of this but this statement is so far beyond anything you have ever said I am flabbergasted. You need a spanking.
To: Alberta's Child
Oh, you....! LOL (took me a minute!)
334
posted on
06/17/2004 8:45:13 PM PDT
by
hummingbird
("If it wasn't for the insomnia, I could have gotten some sleep!")
To: Canticle_of_Deborah
I take issue with her erroneous assertions TODAY about the Catholic Church and divorce. I've been through the process.She didn't talk about TODAY, except that silly quote from the Diocese of Lincoln.
If Lincoln is her model, no wonder she's not ready to come back to the Church.
You got a quickie annulment, which you would not have gotten in the days before Vatican II.
335
posted on
06/17/2004 8:46:17 PM PDT
by
sinkspur
(There's no problem on the inside of a kid that the outside of a dog can't cure.)
To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Deborah are you familiar with this peer ministry?
Beginning Experience
We reach out to those who have suffered through a death, divorce, separation or loss of a loved child or parent. A valid resource in your area awaits your recommendations!
336
posted on
06/17/2004 8:46:49 PM PDT
by
Salvation
(†With God all things are possible.†)
To: sinkspur
In the days before Vatican II I would not have married in the first place. The thing was a disaster from start to finish. We never would have made it to the wedding.
To: Canticle_of_Deborah
If the Church neglects the weakest among us, then that Church is worthless.
Thankfully, the Catholic Church does not do that.
My wife would not take kindly to your spanking me.
338
posted on
06/17/2004 8:48:49 PM PDT
by
sinkspur
(There's no problem on the inside of a kid that the outside of a dog can't cure.)
To: Peach
I have not changed my story with the exception that, without going back to look, I said that Father John said "we" could not receive the sacrament anymore. That is the generic we of an 7 year old who was too young to attend church alone without a parent accompanying her.You also changed your story by saying your father "walked out" and THAT was the reason for the denial of the sacraments. Then you changed it to say that it was because of divorce, which you were not clear about in the original story.
Also, even if your mother believed the priest when he said she couldn't receive the sacraments, it didn't mean she was not allowed to attend Mass and take you with her.
By the way, if you were only 7 at the time and were the eldest, none of the children in your family would have even had their First Communion anyway. Back then First Eucharist was received in the 3rd grade at age 8. I suspect there's more to this story than you pose.
Perhaps it is better if you don't post personal stories, if you are so thin-skinned that you perceive skepticism of your ever-changing anecdote as an attack.
To: Salvation
I am happy I am divorced. I am thrilled! The only thing I regret is marrying the con artist bum in the first place. The only wounds I have are the empty bank account and the humiliation of involving myself with a user.
The worst day of my life was my wedding day. The day we split was one of the happiest days of my life.
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