More devastating Scandal stories coming?

Bettnet.com ^ | June 16, 2004 | Domenico Bettenelli, Jr.

[rootntootn]

Couldn't receive the sacrament why? Because your father took a powder?

[Steve_Seattle]

The media have been running away from the homosexual angle like deer fleeing a forest fire. They refuse to admit that homosexuality has ANYTHING to do with the sex scandals.

[Aquinasfan]

The Dallas Morning News also reported that 606 teachers from Texas have been punished for sexually abusing minor children over the last eight years. Hence, the State of Texas alone has more teacher child sex abusers than the entire Catholic Church priesthood in the U.S. This should make one seriously wonder why the media place so much of their highly focused attention on the Catholic Church and so relatively little attention on the much larger national problem within secular institutions.

Could it be that government schools are the temples of the media's religion? Naaaaaaah.

[Salvation]

**I have stated on this thread that I miss the church. I loved the church. But it has a past. And it isn't pretty.**

Yes, the Catholic Church has made mistakes in the past and they have apologized for some of them.

Once, again, I invite you to go to a Returning Catholics class and delve into this issue -- thus finding out the facts.

Then you can make an informed conscience decision about what you want to do.

[GOP Soccer Mom]

Well Bush (George) becoming Catholic would be interesting after the big kerfuffle over him speaking at Bob Jones U. (Remember that in the last election?)

I like how the press has no use for Catholics (unless they are bashing us), until John Kerry might be denied the Eucharist. Then it's all over the place, how some Catholics are maligned.

Just wait until Jeb Bush runs for president. He's actually Catholic already.

[ninenot]

OK, Sink. Your job is to scoop the Dallas paper and post the results here on FR before it hits the press on Sunday.

You live there. You gotta know SOMEBODY.

[B Knotts]

I'm puzzled by what sort of photographs could be run on the front page of a newspaper that would be proof of abuse, however. I mean...it can't be too graphic, right?

[maryz]

So you know what it's about? Can you tell now?

If not, do you know who Dreher meant by "our people" who are "talking to the national media"?

[fatima]

Peach,Sorry you are upset.I will pray for you and your Mom and family.What happened to your family is sad .

[BlackRazor]

That's a strawman argument. No argument with God. Just the spokespeople within the church who think they have the moral authority to comment on the war. They can't even get their own house in order.

Careful where you're going with this. You're starting to sound like those liberals who say Bill Bennett can't talk about morality anymore because of his gambling, and so on and so on. Just because someone's done something wrong shouldn't disqualify them from speaking about morals ever again. If so, no one would be able to talk about morality at all, because no one is perfect. And that, of course, is just what the liberals want.

[Salvation]

Oops.

During Vatican II this was all changed, and maybe that it what you do not realize.

During Vatican II this was all changed, and maybe that is what you do not realize.

[eno_]

Will we see stories of rabbis molesting young boys during Hebrew school? About Baptist ministers fooling around with the kids at their churches? How about Methodist youth ministers on illicit camping trips with they boys at their churches?

The supposedly celebate Catholic clergy skews the numbers and has attracted a "Lavender Mafia" in greater numbers than to other churches. Not that I would expect Unitarian clergy to be straight or anything. Just that Catholics have a larger problem for a reason.

[fatima]

Polycarp IV,We got really bad news last night about a priest in our area who I know.I just confirmed it with my daughter.It was on the news last night.

[r9etb]

One thing we need to remember is that we are all the Church

Yeah -- I meant to say "the Hierarchy of the Catholic Church," at least in the U.S. I think Dreher's comment hints that it's more than just Americans, though.

[sinkspur]

Sorry. I don't know anybody at the Morning News but Dreher, and he's zipped his lip until this hits the press some other way, and Suzanne Albach-Hogan, who is likely one of the religion reporters who's working on the story. I've talked to her twice in the past, but I doubt she'll scoop her own story.

[Judith Anne]

Peach, I agree with fatima, and stand with her--I am so sorry that happened to you! I for one would welcome you with open arms.

[sharktrager]

They may not, but I'm sure Tony Alamo does.

[GOP Soccer Mom]

The biggest part of the Church's past is that they are the Church that Jesus founded. Led by men, frail and weak in sin, people within the Church have certainly made mistakes. I don't doubt that your family was told this, but the priest was not correct. I think that Salvation was right...he was on a power trip. I was born after Vatican II, and I can say, though there have been abuses of that document, overall, the Church has become more "user friendly" without losing the essence of Truth that She has always contained.

You would most likely be welcomed back to the Church if you decided to look into it. Plenty of people have discovered the very same thing.

[Salvation]

The moral authority of the Catholic Church has stood since the death of Christ and the institution of the Holy Eucharist at the Last Supper. Think about it, over 2000 years.

They have stood tall against abortion, euthenasia; and many other issues.

So back to your original question:

Where do you think the moral authority of the Catholic Church comes from?

[conservonator]

Truth is bashing.

Head in the sand, circle the wagons, is a good Catholic.

The Bashing Test

1)

• A) "You're a freekin idiot"
• B) "You seem confused, let me help you understand."

Both convey the same core message, One is bashing, the other is not: which is which?

2)

• A)"Your whole family is just a bunch of hell bound Nazi scum and since you don't agree with my views, you are too"
• B) "some members of your family seem to have a serious problem with decent behavior: where do you stand on this and what is being done, or what can be done to correct the situation?

Both convey the same core message, One is bashing, the other is not: which is which?