[ChEng]

Well! Faced with the threat of French and German subs (ICBM capable I presume) we should have a long range, high endurance flying platform that can track them down. Maybe something like an, oh, like a C-130, yea, thats the ticket, flys well on two engines (economy) staying on station forever(ask the Coast Guard) and we have hundreds (maybe thousands) of them, plus a million guys that know how to care, feed and fly them. Hey, get off your ass and do something about Airbus...Oh, Diesel subs? You mean air breathing subs. They are not true submarines, they are submersible boats, what threat are they? (am sure you can think of one) The only true submarines are nucs.

[Long Cut]

Well, of course my expertise is limited by the fact that I've only worked at tracking, finding, and learning their capabilities for over a decade. Oh, and having spent four overseas deployments now and 2500 hours in P-3's over that time doing all of the missions I listed above, sometimes whilst being shot at.

Your expertise seems to come from a strange pride in your own LACK of knowledge.

It might interest you to know, that C-130's and P-3's share the same engines and basic airframe parts. However, the ORION has NOT been replaced by newer ORIONS, as the 130 has. Our supply of flyable aircraft is dwindling. The ones that are left WILL kill a crew in the next few years...they are simply that old.

"Oh, Diesel subs? You mean air breathing subs. They are not true submarines, they are submersible boats, what threat are they?"

Obviously, you didn't read the post you replied to. Modern diesel submarines are every bit as quiet and capable as nukes, Sport. Especially the German ones...they lead the world in the technology and engineering. When they put out their Air-Independant Propulsion engines this year, they will be the equal of our best nukes.

However, I will not argue further with someone who posted the line above with a straight face. You have no idea how misinformed you are, or how ignorant.

" The only true submarines are nucs."

A diesel is just as capable of sinking a carrier as a nuke is, Sport. In fact, in excercises, they HAVE proven their ability to do so.

Of course, you know better, from your couch, right?

[Dead Dog]

"flys well on two engines (economy) .."

Not really, that just means you have to drag two dead weight engines with you. It only makes sense when you turn an unsuccessful airliner (Lockheed Electra) into a maritime patrol craft.