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Boeing wins U.S. Navy airplane deal
http://money.cnn.com/2004/06/14/news/fortune500/boeing_contract.reut/ ^ | June 14, 2004 | cnn money

Posted on 06/14/2004 2:07:09 PM PDT by avg_freeper

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Navy on Monday awarded Chicago-based Boeing Co. a multibillion dollar deal to design a replacement for the Navy's fleet of submarine-hunting P-3 aircraft, congressional sources said.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: asw; boeing; defensecontractors; lockheed; miltech; mma; navy; orion; p3; subhunters
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To: avg_freeper

I hope they learn the Air Force's lesson and don't take Linda Daschle's advice to lease the planes.


21 posted on 06/14/2004 2:46:14 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Teach a Democrat to fish and he will curse you for not just giving him the fish.)
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To: r9etb

Guessing the 737 supports new technology, which can be used from on high. (It may also be able to do more than look for subs, too, but I don't know anything!) ;-)


22 posted on 06/14/2004 2:47:56 PM PDT by unspun (Love ya, W. Try vetoing sometime. | I'm not "Unspun w/ AnnaZ" but I appreciate.)
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To: avg_freeper
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23 posted on 06/14/2004 2:48:30 PM PDT by finnman69 (hOcum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Paleo Conservative

> Why not buy updated versions of the P-3?

That's what the P-5 was supposed to be.

Entire program flopped.


24 posted on 06/14/2004 2:51:58 PM PDT by Boundless
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To: avg_freeper
"Lockheed was the expected winner, so this is a surprise."

Your perspective is interesting. I work in this industry and I would hardly have said Lockheed was the inevitable winner. The differences in the two offerings were striking. And the poster later on who cited "JSF fallout" is probably right, too.

Lockheed's chances are much better for MC2A and Aerial Common Sensor. And for political reasons and preservation of the industrial base, it makes much better sense to award Boeing MMA, which is primarily aircraft, and Lockheed one of the other two.

25 posted on 06/14/2004 2:56:19 PM PDT by tom h (.)
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To: tom h

I'm glad to see Boeing won this contract..... I'm partial to them v Lockheed...


26 posted on 06/14/2004 2:57:51 PM PDT by Die_Hard Conservative Lady
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To: Boundless
And the P-7 too, I'm sure it comes down to money. If it is the 737 which would be the logical choice, they are still being built and engine upgrades are probably easier with a pod engine design. The p-3 flight hour to maint. man hour ratio is dismal and getting worse every year. I retired 6 years ago and really haven't kept up with the program. I was an old sub chaser and that isn't the primary mission anymore. They (the USN) better keep a unique mission or the airfarce will steal it away!
27 posted on 06/14/2004 3:07:59 PM PDT by LDO4CNO
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To: avg_freeper

is there any chance that the navy envisions multiple rolls
for the same basic airframe, and this decision will get the
cost down per plane for future planes?


28 posted on 06/14/2004 3:16:50 PM PDT by smonk
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To: Paleo Conservative

"I can't see any advantage in using jets to patrol for submarines."

I don't know...the Brits have had pretty good success with the Nimrod.


29 posted on 06/14/2004 3:19:40 PM PDT by beelzepug (I'll take "Why Me?" for a thousand, Alex.)
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To: ghostrider
Yea, we couldn't restart #1 engine one night and ended up back at Cubi Pt. with 14.7 hrs. Everyone was otta cigs and there wasn't a cup of coffee left on the airplane. Ahh, the good old days! Plenty of San Miguel out in Olongapo though!!
30 posted on 06/14/2004 3:23:32 PM PDT by LDO4CNO
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To: avg_freeper

Being that I am a Lockheed employee in upstate NY, I'd say I'm not so pleased either. No matter, we're gonna win the Presidential Helo contract in November/December over Sikorsky anyways...that'll bring in the cash!


31 posted on 06/14/2004 3:26:07 PM PDT by dayton law dude
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To: avg_freeper
No.. after seeing how poor there flight line maintenance is and given their poor managament of C5AMP and C-130J and F-22, this is not a surprise.
32 posted on 06/14/2004 3:27:18 PM PDT by Viperb2
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To: tom h

"...preservation of the industrial base..."

I think you may have hit on the major issue.


33 posted on 06/14/2004 3:27:29 PM PDT by Ben Hecks
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To: bondjamesbond

yup, the loiter time on the P3 is really astonishing.


34 posted on 06/14/2004 3:29:59 PM PDT by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: avg_freeper
Back in the 1980's, another P-3 replacement program was underway. Lockheed proposed a larger, four-engined turboprop, called the P-7. Boeing proposed a variant of the 757! Lockheed won the competition, but they made major boo-boos with weight calculations (among other things), resulting in cost overruns that caused the Navy to kill the program.

P-7 Info

35 posted on 06/14/2004 3:34:11 PM PDT by kerosene
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To: VaBthang4

Ping


36 posted on 06/14/2004 3:45:35 PM PDT by GBA
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To: All
Probably one reason Boeing won the contract is because the Navy is already buying 737's.

Boeing C-40A
Based on the 737-700C airliner.

37 posted on 06/14/2004 3:49:14 PM PDT by COEXERJ145
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To: tom h
Lockheed's chances are much better for MC2A and Aerial Common Sensor. And for political reasons and preservation of the industrial base, it makes much better sense to award Boeing MMA, which is primarily aircraft, and Lockheed one of the other two.

I think you hit it, its Boeing's turn. Lockheed has won the stealth fighter and joint strike fighter and is up to their neck in difficulties on both programs. Lockheed also just won the common missile and is currently in production on Theater High Altitude Anti Missile Defense. Boeing is fresh, having won most of their awards during the Clinton era. It seems that Lockheed is the main benefactor in a republican administration. (Just in general, the best design plays a big role, and how well the company is expected to handle the job is second. Boeing probably has many more "spare" engineers at this moment making it difficult for Lockheed to compete. As a former Lockheed myself, I am sorry that Boeing ever wins anything, but they have changed their corporate image a lot recently, and maybe it is doing some good.

38 posted on 06/14/2004 3:55:15 PM PDT by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: r9etb
I'm guessing they either got the Navy to buy off on reduced mission duration, or showed a cost advantage (more planes but lower out-year costs), or they've been able to achieve a good mission duration.

From what I've read, the airframe is based on Boeing's BBJ which is a 737-700 fuselage with the wings and landing gear of a 737-800. It can take off with the same weights as a 737-800 so it has pretty long range due to the extra fuel it can carry.

39 posted on 06/14/2004 4:50:33 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: avg_freeper

Am I missing something here? Who are they going to be hunting? Hey guys, for a lot less then 4 billion we could BUY all the outstanding Russian subs( as we have many of their newer naval support ships) including setting up their crews running 7-11s. China, Canada or N. Korea? They have junk, lucky to make a cruise and back home again, so keep a few P-3s around as watch dogs. Spend the money putting "Warthogs" on our border. You "industry" guys (Boeing, etc.) figure out a way to kickass Airbus and leave my dime alone....


40 posted on 06/14/2004 4:51:21 PM PDT by ChEng
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