Posted on 06/11/2004 9:00:42 PM PDT by nuconvert
That scripture you quoted in Revelations has nothing to do with salvation; like I said doctrines and traditions of men/women run wild within Christian Churches. There are plenty of lukewarm believers that are saved. Like I said salvation is very simple. Once we accept Jesus as our Lord and Saviour; the rest is not up to us but up to Jesus. When we think otherwise we're over stepping.
Don't get me wrong there are plenty of folks attending church that aren't saved. But making salvation harder than what the scriptures teach is a man thing, not Our Lord's.
You have to live it. But if you truly are, the actions will follow.
Its a statement I will not agree with in the least. Many times that's the case; lots of times its not. I trust Our Lord in all things....your friends need to do that; they appear to playing the wrong part here.
If some folk are looking for a fight, because they do not like the son's politics, they should wait for a more appropriate occasion. His father's passing and funeral is not a fit occasion for such confrontational efforts.
Totally agree! I also believe President Bush would cringe at seeing some of the things some self-professed "Christians" have said on this forum!
Bump!
Just realize you're not alone..
The admonishment about 'judge not, lest ye be judged' has to do with the judgement of the State of Grace someone is in, not actions. We are permitted to judge actions as right or wrong, in fact it's our duty. But nobody is allowed to point to someone else and say 'you're not saved', 'you're going to hell.'
You can believe in your heart and continue to have abortions, continue to steal time from your employer by not giving him/her all you've got, by grumbling, complaining, by gossiping, etc., etc., I don't believe you can continue on that path indefinitely and be saved. Actions do matter, even if they are not what can and does initially bring you Grace.
And they had everything to do with mine. It is you who persists in questioning and condemning the theology and faith of someone who observed a cynical political motivation and made a cynical response. I don't believe I ever wrote that his comments were offensive, yours however have been.
I included you in my reply as I really agree with the tone of your posts. I fully agree we can disagree but calling other Freepers names because they don't see eye to eye either makes me sign off or go to another thread. I get so tired of reading about the crusty suit one, the swimmer and similar childish rants. I agree with their sentiments, just get tired of the silliness. As I stated, I know Ron hates Bush and Bush is much more of a man than Ron, but he just lost a father and I can cut him some slack for that one day.
Oh, thank you very much. I appreciate your thoughts and kind words.
I agree with your sentiments. I prayed at church this weekend for the family--especially Nancy, but all of them- that they remember the outpouring of Americans, literally from coast to coast and points in between, and that it helps comfort and sustain them in the days ahead.
"Seems truth hurts. Reagan didn't wear his religion on his sleeve."
Ron P doesn't have religion to wear on his sleeve... he is an admitted atheist.
This kind of political backstabbing at President Bush while burying his father is a lame attemp at attention getting.
He is an arrogant, self-promoting POS.
Ronald Reagan was a great President and a great American. I value him for his public life and public service.
Undeniably,He was not a great father. Family values were not that important to him on a personal level. Allowing his children to be raised by nannies and surrogates for absentee parents in the cesspool that is Hollywood is sad.
It is obvious Ron P and Patti suffered greatly. But they are middle aged adults now, and the time is long past to realize their parents did the best they could with the emotional equipment they had. Time to forgive and move on.
LOL....that's why I stay here and post after seeing so many folks come and go.
If I let myself be run off, well....then the terrorists win! :o)
Its a different time than it was then. NOw the media makes sure every important Politician's religious proclivities are at the forefront.
(they want to keep those stinkin' Christians out of power mainly so their sacred cow of abortion can continue)
"Why you need to make a silly, caustic comment about a son's heartfelt rememberance of his father, totally escapes me. If there was something wrong with the passage that you quote, it would still not be a fit subject for discussion by non-family members. But there is absolutely nothing really even controversial about it."
William, I was going to reply to your comments yesterday, but didn't want to waste the time. Instead, today, I'll let the NY Times waste theirs:
Reaganite by Association? His Family Won't Allow It
NY Times June 15, 2004 | Sheryl Gay Stolberg
...But on Friday, at the culmination of an emotional week of mourning for the former president, his son Ron Reagan delivered a eulogy that castigated politicians who use religion "to gain political advantage," a comment that was being interpreted in Washington as a not-so-subtle slap at Mr. Bush...
...Ron Reagan, a television commentator who has frequently been critical of Mr. Bush, has already said as much. In 2000, he fired a shot at Mr. Bush in Philadelphia during the Republican convention, which featured a tribute to his father. "What's his accomplishment?" Mr. Reagan asked then. "That he's no longer an obnoxious drunk?"...
..."The Bush people have no right to speak for my father, particularly because of the position he's in now," Mr. Reagan said then. "Yes, some of the current policies are an extension of the 80's. But the overall thrust of this administration is not my father's - these people are overly reaching, overly aggressive, overly secretive and just plain corrupt. I don't trust these people."...
There is no question about it. Ron Reagan used the funeral of his father for political purpises...he "Wellstoned" the moment so he could slap Bush.
Know your enemy.
And now that the tears from the funeral have dried, I will express my own thought that it is absolutely outrageous for the President's supporters to compare him to Ronald Reagan. Reagan fought for the reduction of Government. Reagan did not allow a Karl Rove to shape his policies to appeal to groups as indicated by old polls. He sought to lead his party, as well as America in general, to do what he considered right, according to the lights that God gave him. He sought to lead, not accommodate.
It is that leading, not accommodating, that makes all the difference. The Medicare, Education, Aids aid to Africa, are all examples of seeking to accommodate the Left. So is the continued exposure of women in combat. (Reagan, remember, is the President that finally shot down the E.R.A..) I could go on, but I do not want to tarnish this period of mourning with a political spat. But do not get sanctimonious over the political debate.
Frankly, I did not realize that the comments about young Reagan's politics went in the direction that you have clarified. I had rather assumed that he had become a "Liberal," from the types of comments that have appeared above. He obviously has not. I hope that you are not suggesting that we on the right do not have a right to criticise the President. That would be a very novel interpretation of Conservative duty.
But again, even if Ron Reagan was the biggest "Liberal" on earth, his rememberances of his father at a funeral ought not to be subject to debate!!
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