Threat Matrix: Daily Terror Threat - Thread Ten

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[rickylc]

The "phantom" quake was a result of siesmic waves bouncing from the 5.3, correct?

Would there need to be any similar event to cause such large "false reading" in Florida?

Do false readings routinely show up as 6.1 quakes?

I'm not a siesmologist and just curious to the relative size of spurious readings.

[Godzilla]

"oh yeah. . .AND LIGHTEN UP. . ."

Get your science correct first.

[rickylc]

Is there another web attack underway?

Yahoo messenger seems to be down.

I called 3 different people and none of them can get it to work.

Started about 15 minutes ago.

[Domestic Church]

Meteorite the size of a house! I'm no astronomer but this continuing barrage does sound more like asteroid debris than the usual June shooting star show...especially since no one is mentioning seeing shooting stars at all.

Ahhh, but what do I know... could be space dust bunnies cleaning house...could be our star wars shield being tested with some big toys too.

[Domestic Church]

"Saw many borderline naked eye visible stars"

Did you see them before or are these new? Did they twinkle?

[Quix]

I haven't seen any more reports but haven't searched. Still all wound up in my loom attachment project.

It appears things are either less dramatic than postulated or delayed or not a problem at all.

[Quix]

Sometimes they can be quite delayed at USGS. Usually not. But sometimes.

Where exactly near Fla?

Puerto Rico is the location of a ton of tinfoil stuff.

Then there's the Tesla related stuff which sometimes SOUNDS like a sonic boom, reportedly.

I'm on the USGS email list for above 5.0. I just got the notice of the Argentine quake.

[Godzilla]

Allegedly somewhere near Jacksonville FL, now a couple of days ago. USGS and other webseismic sites have nothing of any size at that location. Report in question probably an initial computer report pending analysis which probably is related to recent earthquakes further south along the margins of the Caribbean plates. The report is also sourced from a European site which makes the later analysis or erroneous output more likely. As I said, this FL quake probably a phantom of another quake just like the reported 4.2 LA right after the 5.3 San Diego quake. Caribbean plate is an active zone. Computer raw data is not infallible and requires human evaluation.

[Quix]

My my! LOL!

. . . as a place to talk about every possible event that could cause a person to experience terror. The Thread is suppose to be about actual and potential terrorist attacks and our war against the terrorists.

If we're going to allow endless posts on meteors,

Ahhhhhhhh. Methinks I have learned a point in the 'problem.'

Your definition of "endless" and mine are enormously different. Is your lack of patience with things outside your preference on a par with your hyperbole?

then I think we should bring tornados and hurricanes into the Thread also because I know lots of people who are terrified by tornados and hurricanes, and there is always the possibility that AQ is using the airplane that they may have stolen in Africa last year to engage in a secret cloud seeding operation to increase the frequency and severity of tornados and hurricanes. Then when the big one hits all the sleeper cells will emerge to commit additional acts of terror to add to the chaos. We also need to include posts concerning dentists and rollercoasters because they are known to terrorize certain people, and lot of dentists in my area are middle eastern and rollercoasters are located in amusement parks, which are know terrorist targets. Terrifying nightmares should also on topic particularly if they involve tunnels, bridges, and airplanes, fire, or floods (all of which can be terrifying in themselves to some people, and which could), because you never know when someone's nightmare could be a premonition of the next terrorist attack.

I think I'd probably draw the line at roller coasters. Though IF I had reason to believe terrorists had developed a plausible connection, I might conceivably post.

BTW, I suppose you have noticed--I don't recall posting a single sourced document about meteors. I have enjoyed those that were posted and may have made some comments.

I do find your hyperbole above rather cheeky and haughty. IF PC in more or less any form is going to rule this thread, then the end of it's comprehensive effectiveness is in sight.

It does appear that either I'm in the minority or that the noise and volume is on the other side.

A meteor thread will likely not work or not work near as well. The critical mass is here. The same creativity, drive, energy, interest etc. will just not be available to engage in analysis on any subordinate thread. Most of us do pretend to have lives otherwise. We have to choose our addictions.

Someone noted that the scroll key is too slow. I guess their page down key is broken.

In any case, enough.

If I feel a meteor document is important to share with this list, I will. Given that I never have, it is highly likely that I won't in the future. I will continue to appreciate any one else's perspective if they feel it worthy to post hereon.

And IF I find some roller coaster or nightmare doc, I'll be sure and post it addressed to you in +4 sized red font, just to return the cheekiness. Oh, that's right, that would violate my sensibilities and preferences. So, I won't.

Cheers.

[Godzilla]

"The "phantom" quake was a result of siesmic waves bouncing from the 5.3, correct? Would there need to be any similar event to cause such large "false reading" in Florida? Do false readings routinely show up as 6.1 quakes?

Much has to do with the computer programs that do the initial calculations. Seismic waves bounce around within the earth creating many waves. Some seismographs are programmed to automatically analyze the wave arrivals and produce initial estimates on size and location. A far away quake if incorrectly triangulated could produce a false initial location and size. That is why a human reviews the data before final posting. Check the USGS site after a recent quake and it carries the qualifier that it is preliminary data pending human review. Since the agency that posted the electronic report of this FL quake is a European agency, its computer programming is probably optimized for Europe, chances are their seismic network didn't plot and estimate the quake correctly.... hence the alleged quake isn't posted on their map of world wide quakes.

[bored at work]

LOL

[Quix]

Odd indeed. Thanks.

[Quix]

Very sobering.

Thanks much.

Will likely send a good sized excerpt to my email list.

[Cindy]

NOTE: The following text is an exact quote on Internet Haganah:
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http://internet-haganah.us/harchives/002163.html
Hey guys, look who has a new website or two

Our dear old friend Irhabi* 007:

1. alqa3edah.i6networks.com/fileslisting.html

Hosted by www.i6networks.com

2. qaedoon.4mg.com

Hosted by www.freeservers.com

* Irhabi means "terrorist" in Arabic
Posted by aaron at June 17, 2004 11:23 AM

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Note: The following text is an exact quote on FR Threat Maxtrix - Thread Nine:
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Threat Matrix: Daily Terror Threat - Thread Nine


 
 
 
Posted by Cindy to Donna Lee Nardo
On News/Activism 06/09/2004 1:02:44 PM PDT #3,808 of 4,246


THE NET...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1109459/posts?page=4889#4889
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1109459/posts?page=4890#4890
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1109459/posts?page=5018#5018
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1109459/posts?page=5020#5020
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1124883/posts?page=958#958
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1124883/posts?page=1168#1168
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1124883/posts?page=1205#1205
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1124883/posts?page=1251#1251
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[milkncookies]

Look, everyone here is interested and concerned in the terrorist threat. All stones are being turned over and every bunny trail is being explored. Unless YOU have PROOF that a particular angle is not conducive in our search for information and, God willing, preempting an attack of some kind, why would you have a problem with it?.

Are you at AT ALL familiar with Islamic Eschatology? Do you even know what it means? Here let me help you out....

A "MILITANT" ISLAMIC SCENARIO FOR AMERICA and THE WORLD

      In Islam, Muhammad was the "Prophet of the Last Nation" [the nation of Islam]. Muhammad delivered his last sermon at Arafat in March of 632, three months before he died. Muslims believe that during this sermon, the last passage of their holy book, the Qur'an, was revealed to them...In the process of world domination, the ones branded for elimination are among them, the Jews and Christians ["...may Allah destroy them... (9.30)].  And as seen in other verses from the Qur'an, "Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection [submission to Islam]. (9.29)

     Interestingly, those spared after the "sacred months" would be the repentant (through a declaration of immunity and protection) as those converted to Islam. (9.3; 9.5) This is the reason for the warnings to Muslims living in America and to the Infidels - The Muslims in the U.S. are considered, for the most part, apostate, and the Infidels (or nonbelievers) have a chance to convert or submit to Islam before they are judged by the great fire. "Allah has promised [only to the believing men and the believing women] gardens, beneath which rivers flow, to abide in them, and goodly dwellings in gardens of perpetual abode..." (9.72).

To Islamic extremists, terrorism may have a greater purpose, even more so than causing fear and panic among people.  Terrorism is purification (the cleansing) of people (the cursed; especially nonMuslim) by fire either causing repentance and submission to Islam or coming judgment through death.  The cursed are the people of the "left hand," "And (as to) the companions of the left hand (mash'ama); how wretched are the companions of the left hand!"  This form of punishment is also pictured in the Qur'an [39.60 and 56] -  "And on the day of resurrection you shall see those who lied against Allah; their faces shall be blackened.  Is there not in hell an abode for the proud?"

[56.41] And those of the left hand, how wretched are those of the left hand!
[56.42] In hot wind and boiling water,
[56.43] And the shade of black smoke,
[56.44] Neither cool nor honorable.
[56.45] Surely they were before that made to live in ease and plenty.
[56.46] And they persisted in the great violation.

Many Muslims' believe the 1,000 year Millennium will occur in the United States, but only after a great conflagration/fire that will burn much of the U.S. Accordingly, the Holy Qur'an indicates the great fire will burn up the wicked (nonMuslims), destroying the evil off the face of the Earth. It is necessary for the old way of life to be eliminated before the new way of life can proceed.

The Great Conflagration

In the Qur'an, Al-Baqara, Surah 2:201, it reads, "Among them are those who adjure...save us from the doom of the Fire." Islamic eschatology/prophecy began a countdown for America with a tragic announcement - The Two Twin Towers burned from the middle and crumbled on the ninth month of the new century (23 Rajab 1422). This happened on September 11, 2001, with the destruction of the World Trade Center. After the WTC destruction, the U.S./allies attacked the Mujahideen [1422/2001] in Afghanistan.

     The battle will continue with the gathering of Mujahideen/Al Qaeda/Mahdi's great army, etc., [and according to Islamic prophecy] until at least 2014. 

     Excerpts of the Islamic "prophetic scenario" play out as follows [these are primary signs and dates]--

  The Time-Period

  A Prophetic Picture of Al-Qaeda (with a new name) and Islamic Terrorism Through 2014

    2001 - WTC announcement/awakening to shake the world [the  New Millennium began in 2001 and marked the beginning of the Islamic countdown; a planned disappearance coinciding with the Jewish Rosh haShanah];

2003 - Ramadan (Ramazan) - Imam Mahdi announcement proclaimed to the world [the splitting of the Moon/lunar eclipse(s) of Ramadan; Al Mahdi is invisible and in hiding/seclusion].  The double eclipse occurred Nov 9 and 23rd.  Both eclipses occurred during Ramadan 2003 between Oct 27 thru Nov 27th.

2004 - 2005 Ramadan - Mahdi's emergence planned (the two eclipses of 2003 to 2005)

From 2003 to 2005 - the only befitting time-frame for this part of Islamic eschatology to begin unfolding.  There will be no other time-frame that even comes close to this for several thousand years; many significant "signs in the sky" will point to this time-frame as the most prophetic time in Islamic history.

2006 - Mahdi will emerge from hiding/seclusion as the new Khaleefah [1427] to rule for seven (7) years.  He will be revealed first to the Inner Circle of 12 and then to the 313 Mujahidin of the Mahdi (or Taliyah Al-mahdi); 2013 - Mahdi's armies will fight Dajjal and his army in a great battle [Sura al-Qiyamah Ayaat 7-9];

2014 - Mahdi/Islamic followers seek to conquer the world for Islam - as a result, all people will recite and follow one Kalimah [word] and one religion [Islam]

  What is the prophecy combined with Islamic eschatology?

    Uosama bin Laden may be attempting to fulfill his own prediction.

  In one of his taped messages, he predicted his demise "in the belly of an eagle."

"...hijri reveals the hour, ..Seven years of sleep, resting from the fray, rajifah, the Earth trembles,

awakened by the shout, hearkened to the Day, the five stand ready,  so very near, not far away,  restless spirits,

  d’Jinn, and dajjal they see...Infidels (the Dar al-Islam and Dar al-Harb), pound and weaken...

the roadmap is clear -  softened to deceit, To the North and to the West, hidden from the light,

Before the Day of Doom, the Final Hour, the sleepers will arise..." (2)

In Islam, Satan causes Muslims to forget and Satan interjects thoughts or words into peoples minds / mouth.  This is the basis of the "Satanic Verses".  Satan is created from some type of "smokeless fire", and God uses comets or meteors to strike at the Jinn and possibly Satan as well.ee \Jin"nee\, n.; pl. Jinn. [Ar.] (Arabian & Mohammedan Myth.) A genius or demon;

the Kaaba, the rock in the centre of Mecca which is revered in Islam, is at least in part meteoritic in origin;

NUMBER 19 IN COMETS - A MERCY FOR MUSLIMS

THIS IS ABOUT A COMET, HOW THE NUMBER 19 IS RELATED TO IT, A SIGN OF THE DAY OD JUDGEMENT etc...

The Rise of a CometThe Rise of a Comet as sated in numerous hadeeth's;

A star with a luminous tail will rise from the East before the Mahdi emerges. (Muhammad ibn ‘Abd al-Rasul Barzanji, Al-Isha‘ah li-ashrat al-sa‘ah, p. 200)

A comet will be appearing in the East, giving out illumination before he arrives. (Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, Al-Qawl al-Mukhtasar fi `Alamat al-Mahdi al-Muntazar, p. 53)

The rise of that star will occur after the eclipse of the Sun and the Moon. (Al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, Al-Burhan fi Alamat al-Mahdi Akhir al-zaman, p. 32)

"... A comet appears when kings go on the pilgrimage to Mecca for travel, the wealthy for commerce, the poor for rest, the hafiz to show off. (Muhammad ibn 'Abd al-Rasul Barzanji, Al-Isha'ah li-ashrat al-sa'ah, p.123)

As referred to by the hadiths,

In 1986 (Hijri 1406), Halley's comet passed by Earth. The comet is a bright, shining star that travels from East to West. This happened after the lunar and solar eclipses of 1981 and 1982 (Hijri 1401-1402).

The concurrence of this star's rise with other signs of the Mahdi's emergence indicates that Halley's comet is the star pointed to in the hadith.

Imam Rabbani provides the following information about the comet which is one of the signs of Mahdi:

A tailed star will be born from the East and spread its light. Its daily direction will be from East to West. (Imam Rabbani, Letters of Rabbani, 2-1170)

Throughout history, the appearances of comets have been the times of very important developments happened for Muslims. Indeed, some of these developments became milestones in Islamic history. Some of these occurrences were narrated by the people around the Prophet (may God bless him and grant him peace):

When this comet first appeared;
The people of the Prophet Noah (pbuh) perished.
The Prophet Abraham (pbuh) was cast into fire.
Pharaoh and his people who fought against the Prophet Moses (pbuh) perished.
The Prophet Yahya (pbuh) passed away.
When you see that comet, take refuge in God from the evil of fitnah (tribulation).
(Al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, Al-Burhan fi Alamat al-Mahdi Akhir al-zaman, p. 32)

Other important occurrences that are said to have happened with the appearance of this comet are as follows:

Jesus (pbuh) was born.
Our Prophet (may God bless him and grant him peace) started to receive the first revelation.
The Ottoman Empire emerged.
Constantinople (Istanbul) was conquered by Sultan Mehmed II.

Some interesting figures about Halley, the comet

It is interesting that some figures pertaining to the comet is the multiples of number “19.”

The newspapers in 1986 revealed the first photographs of the comet Halley and its icy nucleus taken by the Soviet Vega 1 space ship when it came as close as 5500 miles to it. Cronicle March 20, 1986, p.1278

Halley appears every 76 years;76 = 19 x 4

This comet was last seen in 1406 (according to the Islamic calendar) 1406 = 19 x 74

The following is also interesting: as we calculated above, 1406 is 74 times of 19. "74" is also the surah number of the Surat al-Muddaththir, the surah which refers to the miracle of 19 in the Qur'an.

The 30th verse of Surat al-Muddaththir (surah number: 74) reveals that the number "19" is a means of mercy for believers and fitnah (tribulation) for disbelievers.

This striking relation of Halley with the number 19 may indicate a fitnah (tribulation) upon disbelievers and a mercy on believers.

The 1st and 2nd verses of the Surat al-Muddaththir is, God commands to our Prophet (may God bless him and grant him peace) "You who are enveloped in your cloak! Arise and warn." The meaning of these verses are explicit. Yet, these verses may also have a second covered meaning that refer to the End Times. The word, "(the one) enveloped in cloak" may well refer to the Mahdi who is from our Prophet's (may God bless him and grant him peace) descent and whose appearance will be signaled by the rise of the Halley in 1406 (the Islamic calendar).

Al-Muddaththir (Surah 74)

74/1 You who are enveloped in your cloak!

74/2 Arise and warn.

Muddaththir: someone who conceals, hides himself

A last great miraculous and sign of Halley: the appearance of Halley in 1986 (Hijri 1406 according to the Islamic calendar) is its 19th appearance since 607 AC, the year when the Prophet Mohammed (may God bless him and grant him peace) was honored with prophecy.

Of the 72 Signs Muslims Are Expecting Near Doomsday, here are just a few:

15.   The usurper of Ama’naat will be considered honest and honorable.

30.   Gold will become common.

68.   Either Allah will send a Red Storm upon you.

69.   Or Earthquakes.

71.   Or a rain of rocks from the skies. Asteroids? Meteors?

Muslims collected writings of the schools of Alexandria and the best philosophical works of ancient Greek. There were special departments under qualified professors for promotion and prosecution of special branches of study. Astronomical observations were made in Mamun's reign. Among these equinoxes, eclipses, the apparitions of comets and other celestial bodies was most important.

Too tired to do a summation. Either you get it or you don't.

[Godzilla]

"Odd indeed. Thanks.

Lets put this one to bed. The seismic report in question is located here:

http://www.emsc-csem.org/cgi-bin/ALERT_datafile.sh?X7234&ALFM

This report is based upon a report from seismic analysis of network ALFM. ALFM happens to stand for the Research Center of Astronomy and Geophysics - Mongolia.

Now reviewing the seismic reporting from the EMSC-CSEM web site we see the following reports (note the times):

2004/06/14 23:00:04.0 31.1N 80.9W Mw6.1 A ALFM OFF EAST COAST OF UNITED STATES

2004/06/14 22:55:00.5 24.0N 95.8W 33 mb5.3 A LDG GULF OF MEXICO

2004/06/14 22:54:42.0 18.4N 94.1W mb5.5 A GFZ BAY OF CAMPECHE

2004/06/14 22:54:27.7 15.7N 96.1W 27 M 5.1 M BGR NEAR COAST OF OAXACA, MEXICO

2004/06/14 22:54:25.7 16.7N 97.9W 29 mb5.6 A MIX OAXACA, MEXICO

2004/06/14 22:54:23.9 16.5N 97.7W 33 Ms5.7 M GSRC OAXACA, MEXICO

You see our ALFM the lastest report of the series. However,notice the timing and the regional view of the preceeding reports. ALFM appears to be reporting the Oaxaca Mexico earthquake, albet locationally inexact but in a broad regionally correct area (after all, seismographs are located in Mongolia). Hence because of incorrect plotting, the ALFM report places a 'phantom' earthquake off the coast of the US, while integrated into other networks and human evaluation, it actually recorded the Mexican quake. End of story, file it.

[Quix]

THANKS. AM NOT AT ALL SURPRISED.

Please post any and all such. I'd hate to miss anything of this ilk.

[Quix]

Thanks.

[Velveeta]

Suspicious Package Forces Evacuations
White Powder Found After Package Blown Up

POSTED: 10:05 am PDT June 17, 2004
UPDATED: 10:20 am PDT June 17, 2004

SALINAS, Calif. -- Authorities in Salinas, along with a bomb squad from Santa Cruz, are investigating a suspicious package found on Byron Drive in the overnight hours.

The street is behind the Nob Hill store on South Main street.

The bomb squad has blown up the package and a white powder apparently surfaced as a result.

A hazardous materials team remains at the scene taking samples in an effort to determine what the substance is.

A nearby apartment complex has been evacuated and the area remains closed to traffic.
http://www.theksbwchannel.com/news/3430118/detail.html

[rickylc]

Whoa, complex evacuated before or after the discovery of the powder?