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Gen.: Troops in Iraq Now Have Body Armor
Yahoo! News ^ | Mon, Jun 07, 2004 | BILL BASKERVILL, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 06/07/2004 2:21:41 PM PDT by AM2000

COLONIAL HEIGHTS, Va. - The Army's top supply commander said Monday that all American troops in Iraq (news - web sites) are now equipped with bullet-resistant vests, after a shortage that led many soldiers to pay for costly body armor themselves.

As late as March, some soldiers headed for Iraq were still buying their own body armor, despite assurances from the military that the equipment would be available before they were in harm's way.

Gen. Paul Kern, commander of the Army Material Command, said the shortage eased after manufacturers stepped up production of the lifesaving vests.

Kern spoke at a news conference where Honeywell Specialty Materials announced it would increase production of Spectra fiber, a key component of the vests. He said the vests had saved dozens of soldiers who were shot at close range.

Kern recalled that troops in Vietnam had to be ordered to wear cumbersome flak jackets. "You don't have to discipline them to put on protective gear today," he said. "They are looking for it."

Last October, it was reported that nearly one-quarter of American troops serving in Iraq did not have ceramic-plated body armor, which uses four-pound armor plates to stop bullets and shrapnel.

The vests can cost several thousand dollars each.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bodyarmor; iraq; military; terrorism
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1 posted on 06/07/2004 2:21:42 PM PDT by AM2000
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To: AM2000

To add insult to injury the reserve and guard units were the last to get the vests.


2 posted on 06/07/2004 2:24:46 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: AM2000
How many billions of dollars do we taxpayers shell out for defense? The troops are just now, 1 year into the action, all wearing body armour.

Pathetic.

3 posted on 06/07/2004 2:25:38 PM PDT by zarf
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To: zarf
How many billions of dollars do we taxpayers shell out for defense?

Not enough.

4 posted on 06/07/2004 2:27:37 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (God Bless America)
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To: Brad's Gramma

Are you sure? Maybe the amount is enough, it's just not being used efficiently. Given the fact that the monies are being handled by the government, I find that quite easy to believe.


5 posted on 06/07/2004 2:29:17 PM PDT by AM2000
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To: AM2000

IN MY OPINION!!!!!!!!!.......we cannot spend enough on the military. They protect this country. They deserve to be as safe as possible. WE deserve to be as safe as possible.

I'd love to see a whole lotta stupid pork spending STOPPED and transferred to the military.


6 posted on 06/07/2004 2:31:47 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (God Bless America)
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To: AM2000

No thanks to John Kerry.


7 posted on 06/07/2004 2:32:37 PM PDT by counterpunch (<-CLICK HERE for my CARTOONS)
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To: AM2000

Now lets get those Hummers up to speed with body armour as well.


8 posted on 06/07/2004 2:36:37 PM PDT by kalama
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To: Brad's Gramma
we cannot spend enough on the military.

I disagree. There is a level of funding beyond which even the military expenditures can begin to approach "pork" status. Military funding, like all government funding, should be subject to close scrutiny. Unfortunately, that doesn't happen and we end up with budgets laden with pork (military and civilian) which neglect important things like body armor for our troops.

9 posted on 06/07/2004 2:38:16 PM PDT by AM2000
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To: counterpunch

The irony is that Kerry has been using the body armor issue against Bush.


10 posted on 06/07/2004 2:40:04 PM PDT by AM2000
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To: AM2000
Kern recalled that troops in Vietnam had to be ordered to wear cumbersome flak jackets...

I've been wondering for quite some time now, what were those flak jackets made of? What material provided protection?

I've seen them for sale in magazines for around $60. What is the intended protection level?

11 posted on 06/07/2004 2:41:21 PM PDT by bangor505 (" Victory?....We're FRENCH, we don't even have a word for victory." -Simpsons)
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You can have Pork military spending too. I am sure there is plenty of that.


12 posted on 06/07/2004 2:44:52 PM PDT by OneTimeLurker
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To: AM2000

Does this mean that parents no longer have to steal the vests from military warehouses and DHL them to their kids?


13 posted on 06/07/2004 2:54:44 PM PDT by snopercod (They often call me Snoper, but my realname, my realname, my realname is Mister Cod.)
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To: AM2000; Brad's Gramma

Military expenditures as a percentage of GDP are almost at a post-WWII low. 3.9% I think vs. 15 % during the war. (They were slightly lower during the clinton mal-adminstration.)


14 posted on 06/07/2004 2:57:36 PM PDT by snopercod (They often call me Snoper, but my realname, my realname, my realname is Mister Cod.)
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To: bangor505

A flak jacket will only stop shrapnel, like from a hand grenade. They are pretty much ineffective against bullets.


15 posted on 06/07/2004 3:00:55 PM PDT by bad company (free Khashayar)
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To: bangor505
I've been wondering for quite some time now, what were those flak jackets made of?

Very high-tech ceramics. They are more complex than you might think. They must be lightweight and sustain multiple impacts.

This is one company that makes body armor: Ceradyne

16 posted on 06/07/2004 3:03:00 PM PDT by snopercod (They often call me Snoper, but my realname, my realname, my realname is Mister Cod.)
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To: zarf

You are wrong. The troops have always had body armor available. It is only recently that they have had the latest, and most effective body armor available.

Do you realize when the Army switched from the steel helmet to the Kevlar helmet that the procurement took several years to acquire sufficient helmets for all soldiers to be issued the new and improved helmets? It is not just a question of money, but also the ability to manufacture the helmets that took so long for the switch to be completed.


17 posted on 06/07/2004 3:05:35 PM PDT by Poodlebrain
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To: bangor505

Vests are made of layers of woven aramid fibers such as Spectra or Kevlar, these materials transmit the force of an impact to a much wider area and prevent penetration. The standard for the ability to stop bullets is called the NIJ (National Institute of Justice, IIRC) standard and vests are rated as to "Level", most police officers wear Level IIA or III, which will stop most (or virtually all, in the case of Level III) handgun bullets and shotgun pellets. More layers of fiber equals better protection, and more weight. That "four pounds" probably refers just to the ceramic plate, the whole vest is likely a lot heavier.

Military vests are Level III with front and back ceramic inserts that raise the level to Level IV, which will stop even "armor piercing" bullets. The ceramic plate has a plastic backing to keep fragments of the plate from penetrating the vest itself, the plate plus the vest is for all intents and purposes impervious to small arms fire, IF YOU HIT THE PLATE. The whole vest can't be ceramic, because of flexibility and weight problems, so there are gaps at the shoulders and under the arms.

The flak jackets from Vietnam were ballistic nylon and would help against grenade and artillery fragments, but were not resistant against rifle fire.

Second Chance is the company that developed the ballistic vest for police use, they have recorded something over 2,000 police officers whose lives have been saved by a vest, not only from bullet impacts but also in car accidents -- force is force, and force applied over a larger area is less force overall.

And to the pinhead wondering about why the government couldn't wave a magic wand and create a vest for everyone, no matter how much money the government throws at a problem, "the government" can't do much by itself. Dow Chemical has to make several thousand miles of Kevlar, another company weaves it, another company makes the vests and carrier, and yet another company makes the ceramic plates. These things take time.

Liberals are so posessed of magical thinking, it's sad really.


18 posted on 06/07/2004 3:06:15 PM PDT by GradientEcho
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"Soldiers are now equipped with bullet-resistant vests, after a shortage that led many soldiers to pay for costly body armor themselves."

Absolutely pathetic! Heads should roll for this outrageous oversight!


19 posted on 06/07/2004 3:07:45 PM PDT by Gucho
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To: GradientEcho
The flak jackets from Vietnam were ballistic nylon and would help against grenade and artillery fragments, but were not resistant against rifle fire.

Thank you very much, that one's been rattlin my brain. Couldn't find the info anywhere!

20 posted on 06/07/2004 3:13:25 PM PDT by bangor505 (" Victory?....We're FRENCH, we don't even have a word for victory." -Simpsons)
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