Accenture Wins Nod As Prime Contractor For US-Visit

Informationweek.com ^ | 6/1/2004 | Eric Chabrow

[1rudeboy]

I do not want my tax money to go to any offshore company, especially for enforcing the security of this country.

If you re-read the thread, you'll learn that the real issue is whether Accenture pays more U.S. taxes than it should. On one side of the argument, you have people arguing that we need to increase Accenture's cost of doing business to keep it from moving to Bermuda. On the other side, you have people arguing that Accenture moved to Bermuda because its cost of doing business was too high.

Lost in the fog is a consideration of whether Accenture is the best organziation to do the job.

[FR_addict]

No, the real issue is "I am an American citizen who pays lots of taxes and I DON'T want my tax money going to an offshore company."

The issue is not why Accenture's decided to dodge taxes. They are incorporated in Bermuda. They are not an American company.

Lost in the fog is a consideration of whether Accenture is the best organziation to do the job.

I know that Lockheed also bid on this contract. I have seen enough contracts being awarded to know that it's not the one who will do the best job, but who wines and dines the decision makers the most, or whose company the "decision makers" brother-in-law works for.

[XBob]

412 - "How positively bourgeoise!"

Thankyou for the compliment. I know you meant well, in spite of your ignorance. I prefer definitions #1 and 3 of the correct word. Too many awards for excellence to qualify for #2.

Bullets for sale. Get your bullets for free-traitors here. Bullets for sale !!!

And I am definitely not female, the actual usage of the word, you incorrectly used:

Main Entry: bour·geoise
Pronunciation: 'burzh-"wäz also 'buzh- or 'büzh- or burzh-'
Function: noun
Etymology: French, feminine of bourgeois
: a woman of the middle class .

"Main Entry: 1bour·geois
Pronunciation: 'burzh-"wä also 'buzh- or 'büzh- or burzh-'
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle French, from Old French borjois, from borc
1 : of, relating to, or characteristic of the townsman or of the social middle class
2 : marked by a concern for material interests and respectability and a tendency toward mediocrity
3 : dominated by commercial and industrial interests : CAPITALISTIC

Pay free-traitors in bullets. Give them social justice!!!

[XBob]

414 - Thank you for attempting to correct yourself, and calling Poo what he really is.

However, I didn't 'attempt' to quote Poo, I exactly quoted him.

[XBob]

416 - "If Congress doesn't start listening to the people on this issue, they will be out of jobs, whether they are Republicans or Democrats. "

Bingo - give the man a Cigar. And I will add another cigar, if you add freej-traitors to that list of those who will be out of jobs.

[XBob]

422 - "I know that Lockheed also bid on this contract. I have seen enough contracts being awarded to know that it's not the one who will do the best job, but who wines and dines the decision makers the most, or whose company the "decision makers" brother-in-law works for."

As one of those who was one of the 'decision makers' for many years, on multi-million dollar contracts, I can confirm the correctness of this statement. It is very hard to remain 'honest' (which I obviously did - otherwised I would have a chateau on the French Riviera and be a multi-millionaire (which I was offered)).

I certainly wouldn't be hanging around FReeRepublic fighting for honorableness and my country. I would be long gone, with 'my' bribes.

And, let me make another point, being honest in that job of being a 'decision-maker' can at times be very dangerous. As an honest man, It is like going into a den of thieves with a target on your back. I was lucky and got fired on only 2 jobs for awarding contracts to the best bidder rather than the 'favored' bidder. And I had to hire body guards at other times, after putting some people in jail.

[L.N. Smithee]

Yall defend the status qou and then when the *** hits the fan yall convinently forget just how stupit you really were.

Here's a tip: When writing to people to tell them how stupid they are, don't misspell the word "stupid."

By the way, Steve Forbes had no chance of being elected President. None whatsoever. Click here to learn more.

[ninenot]

Given the nature of most of these contracts, it's probably fair to state that Accenture won't F it up any more than Lockheed would have--or Perot's gang, or Ernst/Dasd.

Only question is how much the 'overrun' will be--not whether the system is ever finished and actually working...

[shaggy eel]

The five-year contract, which could be lengthened to 10 years, could be worth up to $10 billion.

,,, elasticity like that can only be thought of on government budgets, only the $10b will be a lot more ten years from now. They're onto a winner.

[neutrino]

Good ones!

[XBob]

428 - "Only question is how much the 'overrun' will be--not whether the system is ever finished and actually working..."

Boy, you said a mouthful there. Those are two of the many things a good procurement man analyzes, capability and comparability of bid to actual requirements.

Very often, the apparent low bid, is often actually the highest bid, and sometimes the low bid really is the low bid, except that they don't have the capability to perform. So it get tricky to make valid comparisons and awards.

Personally, being that I have actually worked for Lockheed, and participated in some of their business deals and bids/analyses, I would generally (without knowing anything more than one of the two mentioned companies), I would generally say that neither one will give us a very good system like we want/need, but for very different reasons. And their failure points will also be different, as they each have different forte's.

Interestingly enough though, I just came up with an idea, that a new company, completely located in the US, which is a consortium, combining the strengths of both companies, could perhaps succeed, at only modestly higher cost.