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Poll: Half of French feel no moral debt [for D-Day or their liberation]
MSNBC.com ^ | June 5, 2004 | Reuters

Posted on 06/05/2004 4:42:59 AM PDT by lawgirl

PARIS - Fewer than 50 percent of French people think France has a moral debt to the United States 60 years after the Allied D-Day landings, according to an opinion poll published on Saturday.

The poll of 1,000 people on May 25 and 26 showed 48 percent of respondents thought France, which was liberated by U.S. and other Allied forces during World War Two, had a moral debt to the United States. Fifty percent thought it did not.

The poll was published by Le Parisien newspaper hours before U.S. President George W. Bush was due to arrive in France for the anniversary of the D-Day landings on June 6, 1944. It also showed growing French criticism of the United States. Forty-four percent of people polled were critical of the United States, up from 36 percent in a similar poll in March 2003 and compared to 34 percent in October 2000.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: cheese; eating; france; monkeys; nazicollaberators; surrender
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To: cripplecreek
I don't know where he got his info, but Bill O'rielly was saying that 53% of American high school kids don't even know who we fought in WW2.

And the Dems in California want to lower the voting age to 14. No doubt it is because they represent such a well-informed and reasoned demographic, and not because they could be easily manipulated to vote for Democrats.

/sarcasm

21 posted on 06/05/2004 5:04:16 AM PDT by Riley (Need an experienced computer tech in the DC Metro area? I'm looking. Freepmail for details.)
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To: shrinkermd

Absolutely true and to the point! No amount of our jingoistic nattering is going to make a whit of difference to the French or anybody else.

In fact it just reinforces what they think of us. So why piss and moan about it. They're ungrateful. So, what are we going to do - wallow in it?

Hell with them. And hell with us if we keep whining about it.


22 posted on 06/05/2004 5:07:58 AM PDT by troublesome creek
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To: Vigilanteman

Lafayette was indeed a great Frenchman, and no doubt that without that French blockade at Yorktown, we might still be British. But I think Americans remembered even after 200 years- Lafeyette we have returned- and the French don't even care within a generation. I think it is time that Americans realize that the French are NOT our allies, and we should start acting so.


23 posted on 06/05/2004 5:08:24 AM PDT by lawgirl (God to womankind: "Here's Cary Grant. Now don't tell me I never gave you anything.")
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To: troublesome creek

I don't think anyone is whining about it. I think it's important to keep track of who are your friends and who are your enemies, and more and more evidence is coming to light that France is NOT our friend.


24 posted on 06/05/2004 5:09:27 AM PDT by lawgirl (God to womankind: "Here's Cary Grant. Now don't tell me I never gave you anything.")
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To: lawgirl
I hope that I'm the first to say: Ungrateful cheese eating surrender monkeys.

5.56mm

25 posted on 06/05/2004 5:11:41 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: lawgirl

Yup, the French are reprehensible. Not worth the breath expended. I just prefer to keep track quietly and not give them the satisfaction.


26 posted on 06/05/2004 5:14:00 AM PDT by troublesome creek
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To: lawgirl

I think Polls and polling - are used in the most evil way imagineable.

What is the implication of public opinion with respect to reality - objective reality? What's more important in this story is what is NOT said, than what is implied. Even if (supposedly) half of the "respondents" _feel_ a certain way - A. Are we supposed to take such polls at face value and
B. Do we believe them, and C. So what? D. Are such "news" stories designed to elicit such reactions in the first place? E. What purpose could such a story have?

It's no secret that as the senior citizens of France pass on, the knowledge of the sacrifice of our veterans will pass as well, to be replaced by historical revisionism. Much the same can be observed in South Korea - the "old guys" remember, the young turks are ungrateful. Such is the way of the world, I suppose.


27 posted on 06/05/2004 5:16:23 AM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: lawgirl

I seem to remember that the French women who "fraternized" w/the Germans had their heads shaved after France was liberated. Anyone know for sure?


28 posted on 06/05/2004 5:17:41 AM PDT by Carolinamom
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To: lawgirl

I doubt the french feel moral anything.


29 posted on 06/05/2004 5:22:22 AM PDT by bad company (blech)
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To: lawgirl
What 52% of the French people are secretly nostalgic for, in the innermost regions of their shriveled hearts:


30 posted on 06/05/2004 5:23:45 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (I feel more and more like a revolted Charlton Heston, witnessing ape society for the very first time)
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To: lawgirl

Le Français peut se visser et aller directement à l'enfer. Mon oncle est mort pour sauver ces bâtards désolés. Tiré vers le bas dans son B17 au-dessus de la France. Son coeur pourpre se repose sur ma table de café.

My Uncle died to save those sorry Frogs, his Purple Heart sits on my coffee table. Hie B17 was shot down while loaded with a full load of bombs. They never even found ANY of his remains.... Nothing. And he wanted to go to war to save them. And my dad tried to sign up, too. They couldn't take him, due to health problems he had as a child.

I am getting more and more bitter about the Frogs. We used to love to go there on vacation. I think we may skip France from now on. There are plenty of other countries in Europe. Bunch of ungrateful children that is what they are.


31 posted on 06/05/2004 5:29:04 AM PDT by buffyt (French streets were lined with shade trees so the Nazi army could march in the shade.)
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To: Vigilanteman; lawgirl

Kudos to you both for remembering Lafayette, someone whom99% of American high school seniors wouldn't know if they tripped over him..yet France intervened in the American war solely to gain an advantage against the Brits..a payback of sorts for the French and Indian Wars, and the loss of Canada. So, France acts everso then as now, when it perceives an advantage for herself, not out of a greater sense of purpose.


34 posted on 06/05/2004 5:37:42 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: QuokkaPerth
Vote 4 Bush in November and MAKE THEM SAD!

BUSH 2004


35 posted on 06/05/2004 5:39:41 AM PDT by F14 Pilot (John ''Fedayeen" sKerry - the Mullahs' regime candidate)
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To: lawgirl

France... modern day Sodom and Gomorrah...


36 posted on 06/05/2004 5:42:40 AM PDT by Godfollow
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To: lawgirl
Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys

Why isn't saving private ryan, a bridge too far, and band of brothers shown continuously on network television, here and abroad, during the Normandy invasion anniversary weekend?
37 posted on 06/05/2004 5:42:42 AM PDT by Gillsie
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To: lawgirl

Insert belly girl here.


38 posted on 06/05/2004 5:42:54 AM PDT by steveyp
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To: Vigilanteman
And in related news, less than 2% of Americans feel aany moral obligation to France for helping us win the American Revolution.

At this point why should we feel any moral obilgation to France. The debt owed by the US has been paid thrice over in the last century alone. The amount of US blood, effort and money given to assist France far exceeds the assistance they rendered in 1781.

Of course Americans have always been overly generous. It's our nature.

39 posted on 06/05/2004 5:42:56 AM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: Vigilanteman
Lafayette aside. France didn't get involved to help us. They got involved to hurt the British. They were looking to secure the Caribbean and lose the English the continent they lost themselves in the French and Indian wars. I wouldn't go all noble about the French in the revolution. If it wasn't in their best interests they wouldn't have given us a second thought.
Not unreasonable though, when you think about how nations work. I am not knocking their reasons; I just don't give them credit where none is due.
Lafayette, as I recall, came here illicitly and without the permission of his government. America remembered and still remembers him and his contribution.
40 posted on 06/05/2004 5:46:10 AM PDT by IrishCatholic (I am not worried about radical Islam. I am worried about John Kerry.)
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