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Pope Denounces Events in Iraq to Bush
The Las Vegas Sun ^ | June 04, 2004 at 15:11:46 PDT | TOM RAUM

Posted on 06/04/2004 4:48:14 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

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To: CasearianDaoist

President Bush came off very well! Remember John anti-life Kerry would not dare meet with the Pope.


21 posted on 06/04/2004 5:09:00 PM PDT by ardara
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Oriana Fallaci is accusing The Church of selling out and being very weak.
22 posted on 06/04/2004 5:09:34 PM PDT by Helms (Al Gore Has No Core + A Lost Soul In a Political Fishbowl)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Not only did I hear the Pope equate 9-11 and Abu Ghraib, the Pope also admonished Bush to "restore sovereignty and stability " to Iraq, soon.

Now Pope, Sir, messenger of God, your Holiness- whatever- we have Saddam Hussein in custody. A man who murdered a colonial puppet leader and seized power and, using the example of men he admired - like Josef Stalin - maintained a ruthless stranglehold over 25 million souls for 20 years, murdering maybe 10% of them- mostly innocents- during that time..

Are you suggesting he was the "sovereign" leader of Iraq?

Your Holiness, was not Adolph Hitler the sovereign of Germany? Germany was, admittedly, stable under him. Why did you join in partisan warfare against his troops? Hitler's claims on Poland were not far different in statement than Saddam's claims on the Shatt-al Arab that led to over a million deaths of Iranian and Iraqi boys and men, and Saddam's claims on Kuwait.

Excuse me Your Holiness, today I heard no thanks or praise for our removing Saddam Hussein - the man who launched missiles into Iranian and Israeli cities - the man gassed Kurdish infants in their mothers' arms. The man who ruled from dozens of golden thrones in dozens of lavish palaces- his personal wealth all built atop the broken skulls and bones of raped, tortured, men and women and children.

Your Holiness, I cannot seem to locate your praise made the day we opened the underground dungeons of Iraq and released small children into the daylight.

Would restoring Saddam or an equally squalid psychopath be the moral imperative of "sovereignty" to you?

Your Holiness, you admonished us to let the UN "in". Who is keeping them out? They left.

Your Holiness, have your advisors filled you in on the extent of corruption in the oil-for-food program, and the names and positions of the UN and world leaders who called for "peace and patience" in dealing with Saddam, while selling their souls and those of the Iraqi people to fatten their bank accounts?


23 posted on 06/04/2004 5:10:37 PM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: CasearianDaoist

I am really focused on the WH political team failing, as they always to, to anticipate the spin coming from this. The sheeple are being saturated with this - I drive home listening to a Jazz music FM station, and the news clip at the top of the hour talks about the Pope slamming Bush. And the newsradio stations are even worse.

This is why Bush is not doing well in the polls - they have to break the cycle of day after day attacks on him from every angle, the sheeple are being saturated with this. He should have done a quick photo op with the pope, tossed that medal his way, and been done with it. If they couldn't make an arrangement with the Vatican to not release this propaganda as part of this meeting - then just meet with Berlusconi.


24 posted on 06/04/2004 5:11:20 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Geist Krieger
As I said, a left of center clique of prelates inside the Vatican have obviously hijacked the Pope. I am an RC but I will say that the Pope has been an anomaly inside the Vatican where the inner circles are rife with the same sort of intellectual and spiritual corruption that afflicts all the European liberal elites. This vileness in not new and predates the Pope's reign.

It will get worse after he goes IMHO. He managed to stem the tide for a time but from what I can see there will be a sharp movement away from his positions once he has gone. The RC hierarchy is in a deep moral morass, there will be deeper failures and tragedies _ and even greater farces - before they come face to face with their immorality, and this will be true as well of most of the leadership in the Liberal West.

It may well be that the Pope is ill-informed of events and one really has to question the clarity of his intellect at this point. It is hard to believe that the Lion of Poland who stood up to the Soviets would have in his prime countenanced this sort of nonsense.

25 posted on 06/04/2004 5:15:31 PM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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To: oceanview

Well we are probably getting a very biased report out of the media.

But it certainly is upsetting!


26 posted on 06/04/2004 5:19:09 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: JOE6PAK

LOL


27 posted on 06/04/2004 5:20:08 PM PDT by pitinkie
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
...in the streets of Rome from thousands of demonstrators...

I imagine many of these "thousands" came from the thousands upon thousands of muslim invaders of Italy who are ruining that country.

For a passionate description of the problems these vermin are causing Italy, read Oriana Fallaci's "The Rage and the Pride." She paints a picture of their activities that will make you want to call the Orkin man!

28 posted on 06/04/2004 5:20:16 PM PDT by lancer (If you are not with us, you are against us!)
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To: oceanview

The problem is that the pope did not attck Bush or America. It is contrived by those in the press who have an agenda.


29 posted on 06/04/2004 5:20:48 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace (I'm from the government and I'm here to help.)
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To: Wolfstar
think it wasn't worth our blood and treasure to save in WWI and WWII, nor to protect during the Cold War.

Considering the way too damn many Americans are today I am beginning to wonder if it is worth the sacrifices our military is making in the Middle East and Afganistan
30 posted on 06/04/2004 5:21:40 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Pardon?

How many divisions does the Pope have?


31 posted on 06/04/2004 5:21:58 PM PDT by bert (Don't Panic !)
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace

I know it is. But its working.


32 posted on 06/04/2004 5:22:42 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: CasearianDaoist
It may well be that the Pope is ill-informed of events and one really has to question the clarity of his intellect at this point. It is hard to believe that the Lion of Poland who stood up to the Soviets would have in his prime countenanced this sort of nonsense.

How about the one that kissed the Koran
33 posted on 06/04/2004 5:23:09 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: pitinkie

I guess he'd rather that 40,000+ innocents continue to die each year.


34 posted on 06/04/2004 5:25:15 PM PDT by jps098
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

" They brought dozens of suits for the men in Bush's entourage to try on. There was no immediate word on whether Bush modeled suits, too. "

The AP manufactures a story out of thin air and then tries to spin it negatively against President Bush.
The AP tries to makes it sound as if President Bush was prancing around in public,frivolously " modeling " suits.
Of course, a) there is no evidence that President Bush met with the Italian tailors and b) trying on a suit , which we assume would be done privately, now becomes " modeling ."
This is why the fossil media has zero credibility.


35 posted on 06/04/2004 5:26:05 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The ailing pontiff complained about recent "deplorable events,"

I wondered how he was going to handle the "pedophiles in the priesthood" problem...

36 posted on 06/04/2004 5:26:13 PM PDT by lancer (If you are not with us, you are against us!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

there is a lot of made up news here


37 posted on 06/04/2004 5:27:03 PM PDT by gilliam
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To: CasearianDaoist
This is a real shame, but perhaps necessary: "Judgment begins in the house of the Lord." It happened in the Evangelical denominations, then the Catholic, then the Episcopal Church.<

This seems the purification by fire that is going to drive those true to God directly to Him (the true Body of Christ) and away from any denomination that is no longer following the perfect will of God.

38 posted on 06/04/2004 5:27:37 PM PDT by KriegerGeist ("In the war on terror there is no substitute for victory" General Douglas MacArthur (and GK))
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To: lancer

It would have been an historical moment had the Pope taken from Samuel I, "And the Lord sent thee on a journey and said, Go and utterly destroy the sinners the Amalakites, and fight against them until they are consumed."


39 posted on 06/04/2004 5:30:04 PM PDT by gaspar
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To: uncbob
Considering the way too damn many Americans are today...

I know what you mean. Election Day this November will tell the tale.

40 posted on 06/04/2004 5:32:43 PM PDT by Wolfstar (Does anyone know what the meaning of IS, is in Clinton-speak?)
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