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Muslim GI gets 14 months for avoiding duties in Iraq
Stars & Stripes ^ | 6.5.04

Posted on 06/04/2004 4:11:24 PM PDT by ambrose

Muslim GI gets 14 months for avoiding duties in Iraq

By Rick Emert, Stars and Stripes European edition, Saturday, June 5, 2004

BAMBERG, Germany - A 1st Infantry Division Engineer Brigade soldier who refused to deploy to Iraq citing religious beliefs was sentenced Thursday to 14 months' confinement and given a bad-conduct discharge.

During his court-martial, Sgt. 1st Class Abdullah Webster, 38, pleaded guilty to two counts of disobeying a lawful order from a superior commissioned officer and one count of missing movement.

When his unit was deploying on Feb. 8, Webster - the battalion security noncommissioned officer - told his leaders he would not deploy based on guidance he received from Muslim clerics.

Prosecutors Maj. Vince Vanek and Capt. Catherine Cunningham asked government witnesses about the effect Webster's refusal to deploy had on the unit.

Maj. David Kennedy, executive officer of the 82nd Engineer Battalion when Webster was assigned to the unit, said the refusal had only a modest effect on the unit because it distracted soldiers from their missions.

But Command Sgt. Maj. John S. Gioia, the 82nd Engineer Battalion's top NCO, said the unit in Iraq is now short-handed.

"We are a battalion covering a brigade combat team-sized sector," Gioia said as he testified via telephone from Iraq. "It has had a significant impact on the unit."

Gioia also said some soldiers had reservations of deploying with Webster, who converted to Islam in 1994 after returning from Operation Desert Storm.

Gioia brought up an incident in which Sgt. Asan Akbar, a Muslim soldier assigned to the 101st Airborne Division, allegedly threw a grenade into a tent killing one U.S. soldier and wounding a dozen more in March 2003.

"Some of the soldiers, when Webster didn't go, were saying: 'This is great, now we can do our job without having to watch our backs,'" Gioia testified.

Also testifying via telephone from Iraq, engineer brigade commander Col. William Haight III said Webster was "truly struggling" with his responsibilities to the Army and to his religion.

"His reputation is solid," Haight said. "The problems were when we had missions in Muslim countries; that's when he started drawing the line."

However, several witnesses testified that Webster deployed to Kosovo, a largely Muslim country, and that he carried a weapon. But the battalion commander during the Kosovo deployment, Lt. Col. Thomas Quigley, said Webster never had to go on a security patrol there.

Quigley also agreed with defense attorney Capt. Christopher Ryan that the situations in Kosovo and Iraq were far different, with the former being a peace enforcement mission and the latter being an all-out war.

Air Force Chaplain (Capt.) Hamza Al-Mubarak, an imam based at Ramstein Air Base, testified for the defense that Webster had done the right thing.

Al-Mubarak said Webster consulted several Muslim scholars, and that he chose not to deploy because the clerics said it would be better for him to die than to bear arms against fellow Muslims.

"I would not say he's an extremist," Al-Mubarak testified during cross-examination. "He was adhering to the sincere advice of the scholars. It is not permissible for him to take up arms and kill another Muslim.

"It would be better for him that he was killed than to pick up arms against anyone."

Webster had prepared a conscientious objector packet, but it was disapproved at the unit level. It has advanced to the 1st Infantry Division level, and if disapproved there, it will go to the Army level.

But Webster does not qualify as a conscientious objector, because he was not opposed to all wars, only wars in Muslim nations, Quigley said.

In closing remarks, Cunningham asked Hall to ignore the fact that Webster was a senior NCO with 18 years of service. Webster faced a maximum prison term of five years.

"Duty called; he didn't answer," she said. "There is a message to be sent. You cannot look at rank in this case."


TOPICS: Extended News; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: balkans; courtmartial; islamconvert
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To: ambrose

Why do we even have Muslims serving in our army? Who do they pledge their allegiance to?


41 posted on 06/04/2004 4:50:05 PM PDT by nwrep
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To: ambrose
it would be better for him to die than to bear arms against fellow muslims.

Has al-Qaeda heard about this? Nah...

If they won't fight fellow muslims, throw them all out of the armed services, NOW! Dishonorable Discharge, dammit!

42 posted on 06/04/2004 4:53:38 PM PDT by lancer (If you are not with us, you are against us!)
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To: ambrose

I would have socked him with actions prejudicial to the good order and discipline of the unit and thrown on another 6 months of breaking rocks.

Big Chicken Dinner Bumps !


43 posted on 06/04/2004 4:53:48 PM PDT by Delta 21 (MKC USCG -ret)
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To: nwrep

The moon-god called Allah. (May piss be upon him)


44 posted on 06/04/2004 4:54:30 PM PDT by BullDog108 (KNOW YOUR ENEMY! http://bvml.org/webmaster/enemy.html)
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To: ambrose
Why they even let Muslims in the military is something I`ll never understand..Excuse me, but who are we fighting again? Oh but that`s right, only "radical" muslims, not the "peaceful religion" muslims. Yes, the type that we let into our military, the type who like to throw grenades into the tents of our GI`s. Freggin unreal...Like letting Nazis join our side in WW2.."But he is a peaceful Nazi and we can trust him." . Someday our military will get it, IF YOU ARE NOT MUSLIM, MUSLIMS DON`T WANT YOU ON THIS EARTH!
45 posted on 06/04/2004 4:54:58 PM PDT by stillnoprotestsagainstmuslims (I`m still waiting for the protests against terrorism.)
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To: nwrep

There is no god but allah, and mohammad is his profit, uh, prophet.


46 posted on 06/04/2004 4:55:14 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: jocko12
Just shoot him now.

I don't exactly advocate that, but he is getting what he's got coming. An Army E-7, losing his career, rank, and his retirment pay. If he is 38, he probably has near 20 years in the Army, and NO retirement pay for him.

47 posted on 06/04/2004 4:58:26 PM PDT by Mark17
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To: PISANO

14 months in prison sounds pretty soft to me. People will have a choice in fighting in a war or stay 14 months in prison. You may get a bad conduct discharge, but the politically correct crowd will say your a victim, help you to get financial aid to go through school and help you get a federal job somewhere.


48 posted on 06/04/2004 4:58:37 PM PDT by Milligan
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To: freeangel
But you've got to give this guy credit for not bolting to canada like those other "objectors."

Yes. He did the right thing in this case. The fact that he stayed here in the US to take the punishment that his actions dictate makes me respect his version of Islam more than the average man in the mosque.

If he is unwilling to fulfill his sworn duty, the honorable thing to do is stay and take his punishment like a man. If he would be unwilling to shoot, for fear of killing another, Muslim and thereby let one or more of his unit be killed it is better to have him back here breaking rocks.
49 posted on 06/04/2004 5:05:50 PM PDT by Talking_Mouse (Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just... Thomas Jefferson)
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To: PISANO
"True BELIEVING MUSLIMS should NOT be allowed to enter the armed forces, CIA, FBI..."

Let's make this easy -- they shouldn't be allowed in OUR country -- period.

Islam is incapable of loyalty to the United States of America.

50 posted on 06/04/2004 5:08:42 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: ambrose
Sgt. 1st Class Abdullah Webster

What a chump. After he's served his time in the big house, I hope he leaves the US and never comes back.

51 posted on 06/04/2004 5:12:08 PM PDT by csvset
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To: freeangel
"You've got to give this guy credit for not bolting to canada like those other 'objectors.'"

You want to give him "credit" for not strapping a bomb to his torso and taking out the entire battalion while you're at it?

Muslims are a liability to the life of ANYTHING they touch.

52 posted on 06/04/2004 5:12:42 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: ambrose

Who says he has to take up arms? Send him out on patrol, put him on point unarmed and let him draw fire from his Jihadist brothers. Betcha he'd be scrambling around for a weapon double-quick.


53 posted on 06/04/2004 5:13:00 PM PDT by dandi ("No nation ever taxed it's way into prosperity." - R.L.)
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To: ambrose
I know flames are coming my way for this, but I have to say it:

A Senior NCO converts to a religion.
War breaks out.
He realizes that his new religion would endanger his fellow troops, since he , in all good faith (YES, FAITH) could not shoot his fellow Muslims.
He risks an 18 year career in the Army with the retirement only 2 years away, by turning himself in as a CO.
He is found guilty and drummed out of the Army (no retirement, 18 years down the drain) for his concern of being able to do his duty.
To me, this is a person of character, who deeply believes in his religion.

A senior NCO I knew once, turned himself in for "failure to repair", because he over slept. I asked him why he did it, and he said " I can not, in all due conscience, punish the troops for reporting late, if I am not willing to take the same punishment when I do it". another man of conscience.
54 posted on 06/04/2004 5:26:26 PM PDT by Lokibob (All typos and spelling errors are mine and copyrighted!!!!)
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To: ambrose

>It is not permissible for him to take up arms and kill another Muslim.

??????

Then how did Iran and Iraq go to war? How did Saddam kill millions of his own people?

DASTAP!


55 posted on 06/04/2004 5:27:59 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Kill, 'em all, now. Then they cannot kill our sons and daughters tomorrow)
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To: swarthyguy

Bad mufti.


56 posted on 06/04/2004 5:38:27 PM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: Prime Choice
"14 months is far too light a sentence."

Actually, they should sentence him to Leavenworth for the remainder of his term. Every 4 years he had to sign a contract with the U.S. to remain in the military, unless he extends for the 23 maximum months. He broke the contract and should be an E-1 with a dishonorable discharge while serving his time out in prison.

57 posted on 06/04/2004 5:56:32 PM PDT by BobS
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To: dandi

Who says he has to take up arms? Send him out on patrol, put him on point unarmed and let him draw fire from his Jihadist brothers. Betcha he'd be scrambling around for a weapon double-quick.


Let him be the first driver in a convoy. That way if one of his loving brethren has set an IED for our guys he will get his wish of being killed instead of killing.


58 posted on 06/04/2004 5:58:48 PM PDT by LoudRepublicangirl (loudrepublicangirl)
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To: ambrose
Air Force Chaplain (Capt.) Hamza Al-Mubarak, an imam based at Ramstein Air Base,
testified for the defense that Webster had done the right thing.


Well done Chaplain!
With more honest talk like that, we'll soon have Muslims pushed into
nothing but guard duty in Alaska.

That would be a saner policy than trying to figure out which Islamic troops you
could trust to NOT shoot/frag US troops.
59 posted on 06/04/2004 6:06:39 PM PDT by VOA
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To: MindBender26
Then how did Iran and Iraq go to war? How did Saddam kill millions of his own people? You forget. . . Saddam had a secular, innocent-murdering, hateful, horrible regime. But it was "secular".
60 posted on 06/04/2004 6:15:28 PM PDT by GOP_Initiative
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