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Christian lied about faith to survive Saudi siege
Reuters ^ | 31 May 2004 14:43:21 GMT | Samia Nakhoul

Posted on 05/31/2004 9:00:49 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

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To: hunter112
If lying to the devil is morally ok Jesus could have lied to him in the wilderness and not have bothered going through being tempted of him. Instead, he spoke the word of God. If lying to the devil's agents is morally ok Jesus could have lied to those trying Him when they asked Him if He was the Son of God. Instead, He spoke what His Father told Him to speak and in one case He didn't speak at all. Now, I know that we are not Jesus but, if ever there was an example to follow it is the example that He set for us.

You know, I have really been thinking about this as it pertains to possible future events for us as Christians. In Hebrews we read that the just shall live by faith. Denying our faith is denying what sustains us.

I don't claim to know what is transpiring between this man and God. I pray that he will be as Peter. Remorseful yet filled with such a love and zeal for Christ that he spends the rest of his life evangelizing or what have you.

721 posted on 06/02/2004 9:41:20 PM PDT by PleaseNoMore
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To: hunter112

And if this "neighbor" holding the knife were to repent and give his live to Jesus, he to would be saved and have eternal life. If God will give eternal life to this guy, I'm sure he will forgive the victim for his transgression. Thats the whole point of grace, NO ONE is without sin, and only by God's grace can we be saved.


722 posted on 06/02/2004 10:05:37 PM PDT by CMOTB (nothing to see here.)
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To: TheCrusader; AndrewC; sauropod; Ernest_at_the_Beach; SheLion; isthisnickcool; Salvation; ...
Saudi Police Torture Indian Catholic for His Faith

Another instance of the Religion of Pis with it's friendly ways. However, the Christian guy has NOT been broekn. He IS still in Saudi prison.

I doubt if the lib media will report THIS -- they love to say Christian lied about faith but they won't say Christian keeps to faith even under torture.
723 posted on 06/02/2004 11:01:43 PM PDT by Cronos (W2K4!)
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To: isthisnickcool
"Let me ask you this. If a deranged devoid moslem burst into your house tonight and held a gun to your most loved ones head and asked you "are you a Christian?" what would you say? Knowing the loved one would be killed?"

Christ said that anyone who would follow him should love HIM more than his mother, father, sister, brother, etc etc. and that anyone who didn't wasn't fit to be His disciple. Your way of thinking is centered around man-made philosophy (i.e. utilitarianism), and not on what is plainly laid out in scripture.

724 posted on 06/02/2004 11:04:05 PM PDT by Windsong (FighterPilot)
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To: Bluntpoint
Talk is cheap. We have many brave Christians here...fighting Satan at the front lines...of their keyboards!!!
LOL. Onward keyboard warriors ;)
725 posted on 06/02/2004 11:16:48 PM PDT by Scutter
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To: PleaseNoMore

Mark 8:35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.

These people are evil; but, the expectation is clear from a Christian standpoint. From a Human standpoint, these people should be dealt with. But from a Christian standpoint, being ashamed of the gospel and of Christ in order to save one's neck.. big no no. Bad situation all the way around.


726 posted on 06/03/2004 6:22:42 AM PDT by Havoc ("The line must be drawn here. This far and no further!")
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To: Windsong
Your way of thinking is centered around man-made philosophy (i.e. utilitarianism), and not on what is plainly laid out in scripture.

But that cuts both ways. Unless you are Him. It's not for you or I to decide if this man goes to Heaven or Hell. He said he lied to the moslem. What he said was not what he believed. If that's the case then he never rejected Christ.

727 posted on 06/03/2004 7:30:23 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (I'm isthisnickcool, and I approved this post!)
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To: sauropod
This guy has just lost his eternal life. He'd better enjoy this one.

Something to consider ... one doesn't just deny Christ with one's lips.

One can also deny Christ with one's eyes, hands, feet, etc. ... in other words, ... by one's sinful actions (or inactions).
Matthew 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Everytime we give in to any temptation to sin, ... we deny Christ ... for our (subsequent) witness is that we are not christian.

Fortunately, ... every sin ... except for blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, ... is forgivable.

We can be (and are) forgiven for our own denials of Christ ... and so can this man be.

728 posted on 06/03/2004 2:09:38 PM PDT by Quester
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To: sauropod
Look. If you want a cafeteria style bible that just kind of skips over the passages about hell, you go right ahead.

I read the whole thing (even the fine print). God is not some fluffy bunny you put next to your pillow at night. He is your (at least my) Father. Fathers discipline and meet out punishiment as well as reward.


God, indeed, chastens His children.

But there is a big difference between being chastened by a loving Father ... and being judged as an unbeliever.
1 Corinthians 11:31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.

32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
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Hebrews 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth,
and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.

11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

729 posted on 06/03/2004 2:19:05 PM PDT by Quester
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730 posted on 08/31/2005 8:19:11 PM PDT by Salem (FREE REPUBLIC - Fighting to win within the Arena of the War of Ideas! So get in the fight!)
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731 posted on 08/31/2005 8:19:19 PM PDT by Salem (FREE REPUBLIC - Fighting to win within the Arena of the War of Ideas! So get in the fight!)
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To: PleaseNoMore

Not everyone is cut out to be a martyr.


732 posted on 08/31/2005 8:21:10 PM PDT by XEHRpa
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To: Salem

Glad you found it. Good luck with the review!


733 posted on 08/31/2005 8:26:52 PM PDT by kenth (north Georgia mountains - prayers for all in the path of Katrina)
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To: TBarnett34
I think you, as well as just about everyone else here, would act quite differently than you're preaching

I hope I am never in that situation. However, I pray that if I ever were, I would stand for the name of Christ no matter the consequences to my earthly body

734 posted on 08/31/2005 8:31:03 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: sauropod

Peter denied Jesus three times and was in some pretty good standing with the Lord.


735 posted on 08/31/2005 8:33:59 PM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: sauropod
Swine they are. Mad men who love death. They love to kill and torture other human beings and they even love death for themselves. Our friend if he was saved is still saved. He lost the opportunity to know in his own heart that he was faithful when tested and the great and wonderful honor of wearing a martyr's crown for all eternity. Hopefully he will make up for his loss as Peter did. Faithfulness must come from a living relationship and all consuming love for Christ. Many Christians are not at the place where they really know Christ and love Him as He ought to be loved. When Christians die they live forever. When Muslims die they burn in hell forever (I rejoice not in this but would that they be saved).
736 posted on 09/01/2005 3:08:07 AM PDT by Bellflower (A new day is Coming!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

He did what he had to do.


737 posted on 09/01/2005 10:15:17 AM PDT by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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738 posted on 09/01/2005 11:36:51 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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