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1 posted on 05/30/2004 5:31:45 PM PDT by blam

2 posted on 05/30/2004 5:34:01 PM PDT by aposiopetic

4 posted on 05/30/2004 5:40:16 PM PDT by blam

I'm reminded..yet again...of Galileo: you'd think academics would know better. Hubris.

Kudos to Erickson. ("It does move!" BUMP)

5 posted on 05/30/2004 5:47:25 PM PDT by dasboot

7 posted on 05/30/2004 5:49:13 PM PDT by bwteim (Begin With The End In Mind. Save your finger and your mouse: Oct 5, 2001 ;)

Thanks, blam. Another good post.

8 posted on 05/30/2004 5:54:37 PM PDT by cayuga

Seems environmentalism is shown again to be only about prohibiting private property.

9 posted on 05/30/2004 5:58:33 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (Vote!)

In the office of a typical archaeologist, you would expect to find things like stone tools, pottery fragments, and maybe even a few Wooly Mammoth bones.

Wrong. Its books and computers now. I have three computers and have long since covered the two windows with extra book cases. (Didn't like that view anyway.)

And I have a private office upstairs with 48 feet of additional bookshelf (all full) and another computer.

10 posted on 05/30/2004 5:59:16 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I'm an archaeologist. I WORK for a living!)

Recently had to read "A River Ran Wild" for a children's lit class. Found it very biased in that it makes it seem that the indigenous peoples did very little to the land. Hopefully, more such research can help put the story straight.

13 posted on 05/30/2004 6:08:21 PM PDT by P.O.E.

The strange productiveness might be related to fish emulsion.

A nastier smelling product I can't imagine but it makes plants grow.

15 posted on 05/30/2004 6:11:39 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (What do they call children in Palestine? Unexploded ordinance)

Another little understood culture inhabited Jackson County, Indiana. They left behind extensive mound structures surrounded by an immense leveled plain, but they didn't bury their dead in the mounds, nor did they place artifacts in them.

For the last century and a half professional archaeologists have declared the mounds to be natural in origin, not manmade, because there are neither remains nor artifacts in the mounds (typical of Woodland Indians they know about).

The Jackson county culture is very similar to one of the earliest found on the Peruvian Pacific coast which also built mounds without artifacts or human remains in them. That culture also created an immense level plain in their settlement area.

Here an archaeologist has evidence of a third culture that built mounds (with some artifacts), as well as large level plains around them.

The mounds in Jackson County (mostly in and around Seymour, Indiana) were not "piled up" with thousands of baskets of dirt and sand. Rather, they look more like mounds "left behind" as the plain around them was flattened.

Just West of Seymour is a Council Circle used by American Indians. During the period of white expansion this circle served to provide the delineation of what's called the Ten O'Clock Line to the NW, and another survey line to the NE. These lines themselves parallel the Southernmost lines of a piece of astro-archaeology near Anderson, Indiana where paleo-Indians had constructed a series of mounds that mimic the Big Dipper constellation. Those mounds have no buried artifacts in them either, although there are other mounds in the area that do ~ those with astronimical significance are empty of identity!

We don't really know who built them.

I'd say this guy is on the right track once he starts identifying mounds and raised bed structures with astronomical significance.

At the same time "I" will be on an even bigger track having noted the similarities of two paleo-cultures 5,000+ miles apart!

HISTORIC NOTE: Freeman Field at Seymour was built right on this same level plain for use as a base for the Black Air Force of WWII.

21 posted on 05/30/2004 6:29:12 PM PDT by muawiyah

22 posted on 05/30/2004 6:33:02 PM PDT by jra

Interesting, but I'd like to see some data that these conclusions are based upon.

30 posted on 05/30/2004 7:32:02 PM PDT by curmudgeonII (Time wounds all heels.)

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32 posted on 05/31/2004 9:45:45 AM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)

Ancient causeways and fish weirs in the Prehispanic Hydraulic Complex of Baures, Bolivia

34 posted on 06/01/2004 4:56:57 PM PDT by ckilmer


Here is a collection of images relating to the recent article by Dr. Clark Erickson on fishweirs in the Bolivian Amazon. Click each thumbnail to view an larger version. All photos are available in high-resolution versions (approximately 1980 x1340 pixels). Email Clark Erickson at cerickso@sas.upenn.edu for details. quick link to figures Click here for a link to image captions All information contained on this site is EMBARGOED by the Journal Nature unil 2 p.m. EST November 8, 2000

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35 posted on 06/01/2004 4:59:38 PM PDT by ckilmer


Here is a collection of figures pertaining to the recent article by Dr. Clark Erickson on fishweirs in the Bolivian Amazon. Click each thumbnail to view an Adobe Acrobat pdf file quick link to images All information contained on this site is EMBARGOED by the Journal Nature unil 2 p.m. EST November 8, 2000 All images, figures, and related information are the property of Clark Erickson. ©2000 Clark L. Erickson.