1 posted on
05/29/2004 7:32:01 PM PDT by
quidnunc
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To: quidnunc
It's a shame we didn't impose france on germany as part of war reparations.
To: quidnunc
"We Germans have been depicted merely as the occupiers of France. In fact many French
people became our friends.
Two neighbors united in a common quest to answer "The Jewish Question".
So happy together!
3 posted on
05/29/2004 7:36:20 PM PDT by
VOA
To: quidnunc
Why are the streets in Paris lined with trees?
So the Nazis can march in the shade.
To: quidnunc
Mrs Lemaire said last week. "They were not all barbarians and not all the French were in the Resistance. Yeah, we know.
To: quidnunc
He recalled one French woman boasting that she would marry a German soldier. "She said, 'After the war I will be Frau Koch, and I'm proud about that,"' he said. Hopefully, she had her head shaved at the end of the war.
And hopefully, Mr. Koch didn't live to see the end of the war.
7 posted on
05/29/2004 7:39:56 PM PDT by
jackbill
To: quidnunc
"Whenever I return here I am overcome with emotion," he said. "I know that the Germans were on the wrong side but I feel that I owe it to my fallen comrades to revisit this place and remember that we all suffered terribly as well."I think the war-oriented pictures I remember the most are the ones of enemies from years past sitting down and having a nice chat.
I've always found those scenes comforting.
To: quidnunc
The English are right when they say (thinking primarily of the French) WOGS begin at Calais.
15 posted on
05/29/2004 7:51:44 PM PDT by
CatoRenasci
(Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
To: quidnunc
This has been known through history...I've watched documentaries where the frogs have said they were not happy with all the pre-bombing prior to the invasion, Ambrose mentions in his book "Band of Brothers" Easy Company found the frogs ungrateful in '44 and the frogs justified surrendering giving up to the Nazi's by saying "Socialism (germany) is better than communism (Russia).
I myself was at the D-Day museum in Caen the final day of my honeymoon in 7/2000 and they have an authentic telephone recording in which a french government official promises to immediately surrender paris to germany if the nazi's stop bombing the frogs beloved architecture.
19 posted on
05/29/2004 7:58:41 PM PDT by
God luvs America
(Support Our Troops....Don't vote for Kerry!)
To: quidnunc
Reminding me of a story that our grocer told my Dad and me. It was about 1955. He had been a paratrooper on D-Day and had come down in the night separated from the rest of his platoon. During the folliwing morning, he met with other troopers, most from other units, and the group, led by a captain, started down the road to an objective marked on the captain's map. After awhile they saw two troopers hanging in the trees in a field. They found each man dead, with his throat cut crudly inplement. They cut the men down and buried them in shallow graves. They then noticed a farm house nearby. They went over and kicked in the door. Several men were sitting around the table. They froze when they saw the Americans. The two led soldiers looked to the captain. He nodded, and they shot them all. No one said a word as they resumed their march. That night the grocer asked another guy: Did they do it? The other guy shrugged. And that. said the grocer to me and my Dad, is why I hate the French.
20 posted on
05/29/2004 8:04:16 PM PDT by
RobbyS
To: quidnunc
Gockel was actually in an A&E special I saw the other day. A American, Brit and him got together at Omaha and talked about their experiences. He comes across as a genuine guy who did his duty. No more, no less.
To: quidnunc
The fact is that people are people, and the occupying troops weren't necessarily seen as representative of their oppressive government. I spoke to a woman in Norway who talked fondly of a German soldier named Otto whom she had become friends with as a child during the occupation. She greatly regretted that when Germany pulled out he was sent to perish on the Russian front. I don't doubt that bonds formed between some of the Germans and some of the French. That's just how it is.
To: quidnunc
This moron STILL believes der Fuhrer's BS 60 years later. But there is a grain of truth to his words. The Allies freed France and they have never forgiven us for it.
24 posted on
05/29/2004 8:09:19 PM PDT by
Blood of Tyrants
(Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
To: quidnunc
John Keegan in his book
Fields of Battle talks about his experiences as a student in France not long after the end of WWII. He says that the landowners who suffered property damage in the battle for Normandy complained constantly about the damage and that "stringent anti-Americanism" was "
de rigueur at almost every level of French society."
A fine book with some amazing errors--for example, he says that Bent's Fort, founded in 1833 in present-day Colorado, was visited by President Thomas Jefferson (who died in 1826, of course, and never traveled west of the Appalachian Mountains).
To: quidnunc
Too damn bad we didn't know that before so much young American blood was spilled, saving the French surrender monkeys against their wills!
26 posted on
05/29/2004 8:12:52 PM PDT by
F.J. Mitchell
(Every functional brain in America is a threat to John the Babbelist's Presidential aspirations.)
To: quidnunc
So begins the revisionist history of the left's version of D-Day. It all the USA's fault. Nevil Chamberlain was right.
To: quidnunc
Mr Gockel is troubled by more, however. "D-Day is remembered almost exclusively from the Allied point of view," he said. "We Germans have been depicted merely as the occupiers of France.Gockel should be thankful he wasn't summarily executed for murderously machine-gunning Lord knows how many young American liberators on the beaches of Normandy.
Instead, today, 60 years later, he has the gall to whine about being "troubled" by Germany's role as occupier and the allies role as liberators regarding D-Day?
Eff Herr Gockel, and eff the French.
To: quidnunc
"Sand sculpture : A sand sculpture representing soldiers landing on a beach sits in Vierville-sur-mer, which was known as Omaha beach on D-Day." (AFP/Mychele Daniau)
To: quidnunc
Gee what a dufus!!! The reason that DDay is viewed from the Allies point of view is cause it was our operation and we were busy kicking NAZI butt out of conquered lands. The fact that there were collaborators only says the French are fundamentally cowards. I really am sick to death of the European sensibilties that allow for things like the Holocast but are offended when freedom is defended
42 posted on
05/29/2004 11:30:14 PM PDT by
jnarcus
To: quidnunc
Geez...old man just die already.
43 posted on
05/30/2004 12:59:06 AM PDT by
VaBthang4
("He who watches over Israel neither slumbers nor sleeps")
To: quidnunc
This article seems to serve the growing purpose of trying to turn the whole world against the U.S.
It's fascinating though. I wonder if Herr Gockel would have preferred to serve on Ze Eastern Front, where there was some SERIOUS payback going on for those wholesome German lads.
49 posted on
05/30/2004 7:28:37 AM PDT by
hemogoblin
(The sign said "Mission Accomplished," not "War Over.")
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