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US planes, copters intrude in Pak airspace
The Nation, Pakistan ^

Posted on 05/28/2004 3:20:25 PM PDT by milestogo

US planes, copters intrude in Pak airspace  
FROM OUR Correspondent
MIRAN SHAH – Despite strong assurances that in future no incursion into Pakistani territory would be made the US aircraft fighters and choppers entered into Pakistani airspace Thursday night, which again raised eyes brows about their collective war against terrorism.
Independent sources confirmed that on Thursday night some US aircraft throughout the night remained in Pakistani airspace. 
'However, no report of firing rockets at the target was reported. 
Intensifying the hit and run policy against the allied forces on Thursday conducted a raid on a patrolling party killing 6 US soldiers who had sustained serious bullet injuries, while 4 attackers lost their lives on the spot. Besides, during the raid the attackers probably Taliban guerilla also damaged 2 vehicles. 
It merits to mention here that time and again US troops intruded into the Pakistani side in their hot pursuits against Taliban and al-Qaeda members and Islamabad protested several times with Washington which has been saying such incursions took place due to porous borders.
Both sides stressed upon the need for having more meetings at local levels for better coordination and understanding. 
On last Thursday meeting the commanders of both sides had agreed to do the utmost for ending border uncertainty and it was decided during the meeting that route in and rout out would also be checked effectively.


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To: swarthyguy

There has to be some kind of understanding going on here...we intrude..... they protest... we intrude. We wouldn't risk an international incident....unless we have been assured it is ok.


41 posted on 05/28/2004 3:57:39 PM PDT by Dog (In Memory of Pat Tillman ---- ---- ---- American Hero.)
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To: Dog

Or we're just sick of the BS and don't really care anymore.

What're the Pakis gonna do? Return our money or stop taking it? I doubt it. These protests are purely pro forma.

Also, There are half a dozen virtual US bases on their soil.


42 posted on 05/28/2004 4:01:51 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: Dog; Dog Gone; swarthyguy; Ernest_at_the_Beach
US warplanes, ’copters violate Pak airspace

MIRANSHAH: US warplanes and Apache helicopters violated Pakistan’s air space near Shawal area of the tribal belt on Pak-Afghan border in the North Waziristan Agency hours after a flag meeting among US, Pakistani and Afghan officials at Lawara Mandi on Thursday evening, in which the US military officers regretted violation of Pakistan’s territorial jurisdiction and promised not to repeat the same in future.

43 posted on 05/28/2004 4:02:48 PM PDT by milestogo
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To: Dog; Coop; Cap Huff; Ernest_at_the_Beach; swarthyguy
The reason the talks are being held in Miran Shah is that most of the incursions have been occurring in the Khowst/Miran Shah border region. The incursions have been going on since our invasion of Afghanistan, because the terrorists (not "militants") have been using the Pakistani side of the international border as a refuge and sanctuary after striking at U.S. forces in Afghanistan.

The key to understanding this issue and how it will likely be resolved, is that U.S. forces have been crossing the border only in hot pursuit, during an active fire fight (and its aftermath), rather than simply during patrol or hunter/killer missions.


Click here for one of the best sites on the internet for maps of the entire world:

 

This second map is just to orient yourself to the area shown in the first map. Miran Shah is located just north of the letter "S" in the city named Sargodha.


Enjoy!

--Boot Hill

44 posted on 05/28/2004 4:04:41 PM PDT by Boot Hill (America...thy hand shall be upon the neck of thine enemies.)
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To: Dog

Sounds like bogus propaganda to me.


45 posted on 05/28/2004 4:09:16 PM PDT by Coop (Freedom isn't free)
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To: milestogo
Okay, but that's still not an objection by Pakistan to the latest border violation. It's another report by another source that the incursion happened. I'll concede that a protest will probably be forthcoming.

The stupid thing is that Musharraf would love to allow cross-border crossings to kill the people who have already tried to kill him at least twice. These protests are all about internal politics and trying to keep these ridiculous tribal regions stable.

46 posted on 05/28/2004 4:14:07 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Boot Hill
Great Maps - Thanks.

I agree with you on what is happening - American SOF are only crossing the border during direct engagements (for the most part) - we are not operating using hunter/killer missions on the Pakistan side -

The fact is, come hell or high-water we better start doing exactly this. It is foolish this has gone on this long - We are at War - we know were are enemies are running to and hiding at - that being the Pakistan side of the border region -

We must go in there and get this guys. Period. Al Zawahiri, Omar and perhaps UBL have all been allowed to live far too long - It is time for the "higher-ups" in our military to grow a pair and let loose the dogs of war (our special operations personal) within Pakistan - The fact is Pakistan cannot control there side of the border - Musuraiff (sp) is a good man and I think he has all but "openly" welcomed us to come in and clean house - it is on our side where the hesitation has been.

47 posted on 05/28/2004 4:18:04 PM PDT by POA2
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To: Dog; milestogo
This sounds like it is north of the fight described in this thread:

Forces, Militants Clash at Afghan Border

I am looking at the maps Boot Hill gave us.

48 posted on 05/28/2004 4:38:17 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

6 U.S. KIA?! No way. What units are assigned to that area? Marines? 10th Mountain Div?


49 posted on 05/28/2004 6:12:40 PM PDT by fret1
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To: EGPWS

reminds me of an old British WW2 song "Let's Not Be Beastly to the Germans". Maybe it can be rewritten as "Let's Not Be Beastly To the Ragheads".


50 posted on 05/28/2004 7:24:47 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: pete anderson

Nothing like a $6 pak to forget your troubles.


51 posted on 05/28/2004 7:28:01 PM PDT by justanotherday
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