Sorry, but trying to track people by their middle-eastern regional TRIBAL names [al-Whatever] is probably NOT a good idea.
And then, to expand upon that by adding an extra syllable, and expanding on that some MORE by adding other towns, probably won't be productive or further this discussion.
I assume your post is in reference to my research, even though you didn't have the courtesy to direct your post to me. Just for the heck of it, let's recap....
Nick's email used the name Mudafer in reference to his uncle's family. News reports used the name al-Muzfar with respect to same. I suggested that possibly it was the same as Al-Muzaffar. Nita already posted validation that the press has used the name Al-Mudafer synonymously with Al-Muzaffar. Therefore, my assumption was not far-fetched.
You said one shouldn't add syllables. Yet in an earlier post to me, you justified that it was perfectly acceptable to add or delete consonants. That seems a bit inconsistent.
How about these names? (all used interchangeably) Saïd, Saeed, Said, Saheed, Sahid, Sayeed or Sayid
How about these names? Hussein, Hussain, Husayn.
Regarding tribal names, I believe we have already found they should not be ignored while researching Mr. Aziz. He has used all of the following names, about half of which are based on his "tribal name": Aziz Kadoory Aziz, Aziz K. Aziz, Aziz Kadoory, Aziz Kadorry, Kadoory Aziz, Aziz Kadoury Aziz, Joe Aziz, Aziz Al-Taee, Aziz Altaee, Aziz Taee, Aziz Al-Taie, Aziz Taie.
You find consideration of Al-Muzaffar from different geographic areas to be counterproductive. Yet, you yourself are now quoting an article that said the uncle lived near Baghdad (as does Sami Al-Muzaffar).
I don't consider these items goose chases anymore than following posts to other forums posting conspiracy theories. In fact, I find them less so. If you think it's a goose chase, don't chase the goose.
We don't all think the same way, nor analyze information in the same way. But the contribution, thoughts, and research of many is what gives FR its strength. I try to support everything I post with sources, state clearly when I am expressing opinion, and not make leaps in information. If you find it useful, great. If you don't, why not just ignore it instead of insulting the originator by posting mocking pictures?
Have a great day :-)
Ok, I can admit that I had that flame coming, and I apologise.
Also, I didn't know WHO to direct my message to. All of a
sudden the thread had seemed to have spun off and was
filling up with what seemed to be a list of every variation
of middle east tribally named persons who had any
rap-sheet.
I couldn't see where it was going either, or how anyone was
using that stuff to try to show a CONNECTION between M.Moore
and Nick Berg's beheading, or M.Berg's motives, etc.
So maybe I'm on track now and I'll try to summarize.
The whole thing is apparently
based on the little we know about Nick's aunt,
his uncle-by-marriage, and that man's two brothers names.
Nicks email named the three brothers as:
1 Mudafer, (the uncle-by-marriage)
2 Moyser, and
3 Moffak Mustaffa Yasin
http://www.nickberg.org/Nick-Berg-Iraq.html
I would assume they all had the same mother and father since they weren't
called half-brothers, so I would expand those to:
1 Mudafer Mustaffa Yasin, (the uncle-by-marriage)
2 Moffak Mustaffa Yasin, and
3 Moyser Mustaffa Yasin
I would assume most people, when referring to 3 brothers in an email
would not refer on any one of them by just a LAST name, so I felt somewhat
confident that Mudafer, Moyser, and Moffak are all FIRST names.
The BBC reported brother number 3 as Mustafa al-Muzfar. The al-Muzfar
appears to be a regional/tribal name indicating the Muzfar tribe or
region within Mosul, where they grew up.
And as is often done, sometimes a person drops a family name like Yasin when
talking to the press, especially if Yasin were connected with Saddam
or Baathists.
So that means all 3 brothers could also be listed with the
4th (tribal name) al-Muzfar
1 Mudafer Mustafa Yasin al-Muzfar, (the uncle-by-marriage)
2 Moffak Mustafa Yasin al-Muzfar, and
3 Moyser Mustafa Yasin al-Muzfar.
Now heres' where I got lost yesterday... One of you made the
assumption that when Nick said Mudafer (3 syllables), he was refering
to just the TRIBAL name of brother #1 (the uncle-by-marriage).
OK, maybe, but I hadn't considered that. Maybe you guys made that clear,
but I had been away too long from the thread and missed that finer point
during my catch-up skimming.
So now you were ALSO looking for tidbits of info on anyone with a
two or THREE syllable last name sounding like al-Muzfar OR al-Mudafer
(and thats how the MUZZAFAR listings of DOCTORS in the USA came to get listed).
When I saw mention of an "Iraqi who grew up in Basra", I ASSUMED no-way,
that can't be the family since I thought the al-Muzfar was a Mosul tribal
name. I guess I assumed that because Moffak and Moyser seemed 'homies' with
businesses in Mosul, and probably lived there their whole lives. Also assumed
that Mudafer grew up there too, but later moved to 'near Baghdad'.
But I could be wrong. There might be a town called Muzfar Iraq. If not
then Muzfar is probably a region or tribe within some larger city.
Maybe its Basra, maybe its Mosul, or who knows, maybe its Baghdad.
SO ANYWAY, I understand now, I think, why you guys/gals were coming up
with so many lists of odd muslim names. Have at it, and have fun. Let us know
once in a while WHY you think those are important please, and what
you theorize they may have to do with the subject of the thread, and we'll
all be hunky-dorey.
You're right. different people analyze info different ways. I just got lost
and my head was spinning from that last 20 or so posts.
Sorry you didn't like the goose. He was there just to accent my post.
FLE
By the way, why were names like ROBERT LEWIS SR PLATT
in your lists? and how he is connected to Nick? or Moore?