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To: FL_engineer; calcowgirl
From post #1733: Michael Berg's jewish sister, who converted to Islam in Iraq, and lived in Mosul, was RECENTLY killed

From post # 1717: Berg’s aunt is an American married to an Iraqi by the name of Mustafa al-Muzfar residing in the city of Mosul . . .

From post # 1716: Berg's Jan 4 email: Otherwise, I came to Mosul to meet Moffak Mustaffa Yasin, Mudafer's (my paternal uncle) brother.

Okay, if Berg's aunt (who remains nameless) lived in Mosul, then we can assume Nick's aunt's husband (Madafer) lived in Mosul. But Nick goes to visit Moffak Mustaffa, Mudafer's brother. So where is Mudafer. And colcowgirl's citation from the Asia Africa Intelligence Wire (post #1717) states Berg's aunt was married to Mustafa.

I'm confused by these names.

Where is Nick's uncle????

1,746 posted on 06/02/2004 9:00:05 AM PDT by christie
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To: christie; calcowgirl
>>Okay, if Berg's aunt (who remains nameless) lived in Mosul, then we can assume Nick's aunt's husband (Madafer) lived in Mosul. But Nick goes to visit Moffak Mustaffa, Mudafer's brother. So where is Mudafer. And colcowgirl's citation from the Asia Africa Intelligence Wire (post #1717) states Berg's aunt was married to Mustafa.

>>I'm confused by these names. Where is Nick's uncle????

Just about anything goes with Iraqi names. I trust the way NB went into great detail and listed all 3 names of the man he met (minus the tribal name), knowing he might have get someone to vouch for his whereabouts in Mosul.

If 'Mustafa' was their mother's family name and they all had the same mother, then it might be appropriate to list all three brothers as:
Mudafer Mustafa Yasin al-Muzfar,
Moffak Mustafa Yasin al-Muzfar, and
Moyser Mustafa Yasin al-Muzfar.

For a decade or two, Saddam was ordering the tribal names like al-Muzfar to NOT be used. It could be that after his downfall, some persons chose to just give their 1st, 2nd, and tribal(4th) names to a reporter. (Especially if they were sensitive about the strong Yasin family history with the Baathists)

The BBC may have deliberatly shortened the name to "Mustafa al-Muzfar", thinking they were just reporting the mans LAST name. As to where's Waldo... I mean Mudafer... hmmmm... lets see... In Nick's Jan 4 email... He never said. I might surmise Mudafer is NOT currently living in Mosul, or else why would Nick make no attempt to see him, and say nothing else about him in the email. Someone on another site hypothesized Mudafer might be locked up in Abu Gore-reb, or some other prison, but that's a pretty wild guess. ....(or maybe not so wild?) if you assume that most of the Yasin family in Mosul are Baathists.

1,752 posted on 06/02/2004 10:58:15 AM PDT by Future Useless Eater (FreedomLoving_Engineer)
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