Posted on 05/27/2004 9:26:51 PM PDT by Rennes Templar
"In fact, that fantasy is getting very close to being 'wet dream' territory. :-)"
And....anxiety attack territory for MM. :)
"But it's all just Moore noise, isn't it? Bluster and shite. A coronary occlusion would be nice...."
I think angry men of ....ahem...his girth are prone to them, aren't they? :)
Let's all hope he doesn't lose his appetite.
The Lycos 50
Nick Berg is the new number one search term on Lycos. The gruesome video showing the beheading of U.S. captive Nick Berg, combined with the multitude of searches for the War in Iraq (#2), and Muntada al-Ansar (#3) the site that initially had the video, War related topics dominated the search logs. Nick Berg-related searches are so prevalent that they dwarf all other searches, including the consistent pop-culture leaders. Over the past week Nick Berg searches were 24 times higher than Britney Spears, Clay Aiken and Paris Hilton.
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Yes, very interesting. I had a quick look. There are 1,400 items linked to Nick Berg. That's an extraordinary amount of interest isn't it? I think curiousity was aroused by the Michael Moore interview with Nick and a possible connection to the prison photographs.
I have also noticed that in both incidents of recent beheadings in Iraq, possibly the same five terrorists are involved. The Korean was wearing an orange prison outfit just as Berg also wore.
So much for the conspiracy theorists - that Nick's death was carried out by the CIA!
"That's an extraordinary amount of interest isn't it?"
Particularly on a financial site.
Yes, noticed the orange jumpsuit when Fox showed a short clip....before the beheading...and he was not wearing it when the first video was made.
I'll try to check out some of the 1400 to see if there is anything of interest there.
Re the orange jumpsuit. I'm thinking it's probably the same one. And the group of terrorists are the same people. Far fetched? I dunno. But it sure looks like a 'prop' to me. Always the same procedure, the reading from pages...remember in Nick's case, the man kept speaking and turning the pages...out of sequence. Why? Because the pages were also a prop? There was nothing written on the pages? Their MO is always the same. I think they only have one jumpsuit. Pity the poor fellow who gets to wear it. Obviously, if I am right, they take it off after their victim is beheaded. What a gruesome pack of b's they are. I can't get it through my head why they have not been caught yet.
btw...did you see #1926 where the photographs are shown of three groups of terrorists?
It might be useful to see the most recent here also, the Korean and the US citizen. I would do it but I'm too dumb...but I will hunt for the links right now and post them here...perhaps you can do it?
more orange jumpsuits.
http://homelandsecurityus.com/t14d.asp
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-06/23/content_341768.htm (graphic.)
What, no more Lefty claims it's all a CIA plot - guess the beheadings aren't a cover-up for Abu-Ghraib 'torture' after all? (Sarcasm.)
Orange jumpsuit...
http://www.ogrish.com/ogrish-dot-com-kim-sun-il-before-beheading.jpg
#1 shows the entire group.
Iraq - Kim Sun-il (Beheaded ) June 22, 2004
Saudi Arabia - Paul Marshall Johnson (Beheaded) June 18, 2004
Iraq - Nicholas Berg (Beheaded) May 11, 2004
Iraq - Three Italians, Turk & Egyptian (Hostages) June 2, 2004 MSNBC Report
Iraq - Three Turks (Hostages) June 8, 2004
New Info on this post:
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| Posted by TigerLikesRooster On 06/25/2004 8:31:20 AM CDT with 6 comments Donga Ilbo ^ | 06/25/04 | Lee Ho-gap /begin my translation Kidnapping and Beheading Were Done By Different Groups A new claim surfaced, that the group which kidnapped (beheading victim) Kim Sun-il, the employee of Gana Trading Co., is different from the group which beheaded him. A high level official in (S. Korean) government said on June 25th, "Based on our investigation so far, we suspect that an armed group kidnapped Mr. Kim for ransom. However, their negotiation broke down over the amount of ransom (to be paid), and they turned Mr. Kim over to Tawhid wa al-Jihad(Zarqawi's group.) |
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Thanks for posting the pics, I'm reading the new information over and over again...this Urban Hamid is a fascinating connection, with just the credentials that would suit MM. I'm thinking...about the Duke/Hamid Boulder Colorado link... the Moore interview with Berg before Nick went back to Iraq the second time...Berg and Duke sitting at the bar in the hotel.
Result? Prison 'abuse' photographs and video.
And they all just happened to meet by accident?
Major rat smells here.
Thanks for the info. Every bit helps.
My recent interest in this article has to do with Urban Hamid, Pacifica Radio, and the reference in Bergs email to Arlo Guthrie. (See next post).
U.S. Officials Failed to Protect Slain Civilian, Family Says By RICHARD LEZIN JONES and JILL P. CAPUZZO Published: May 13, 2004EST WHITELAND, Pa., May 12 — The family of Nicholas E. Berg challenged American military officials on Wednesday, insisting that the man beheaded by Islamic terrorists in Iraq had earlier been in the custody of federal officials who should have done more to protect him.
Mr. Berg's brother, David, emerged from the family's split-level house in this Philadelphia suburb with a four-page e-mail message that he said his younger brother, Nicholas, had sent hours after being freed on April 6 from a jail in Mosul, Iraq.
The Iraqi police took Nicholas Berg, 26, into custody on March 24 and held him in a jail that he described in the message as managed by Iraqis with oversight from United States Military Police forces. He wrote that federal agents had questioned his reasons for being in Iraq, whether he had ever built a pipe bomb or had been in Iran.
"They can detain him and deny him his basic civil rights of a lawyer, a phone call or even a charge for 13 days, but they can't get him" on a plane, David Berg said.
Apparently in a response to the accusations that the actions of the military in Iraq exposed their son to worsening danger, the F.B.I. released a statement saying that Nicholas Berg had not heeded warnings and that he had declined assistance in leaving Iraq.
The conflicting accounts continued to swirl around Mr. Berg's detention and release. In Baghdad, a senior adviser for the Coalition Provisional Authority, Dan Senor, repeated that Mr. Berg had never been in military custody.
"My understanding," Mr. Senor said of the Iraqi police, "is that they suspected that he was involved/engaged in suspicious activities. U.S. authorities were notified. The F.B.I. visited with Mr. Berg on three occasions when he was in Iraqi police detention and determined that he was not involved with any criminal or terrorist activities. Mr. Berg was released on April 6, and it is my understanding he was advised to leave the country."
That position prompted the family's decision to read Mr. Berg's e-mail message to The New York Times. In it, he described the presence of American military police officers, as well as the federal agents' visits, to the Mosul jail.
"The Iraqi police is mentioned frequently, which is, of course, absurd, because there is no Iraqi government right now," David Berg said. "And if you think about it, to be detained by the Iraqi police without the U.S. government's knowing would be tantamount to kidnapping."
Officials did acknowledge the presence of the military police at the jail but said their sole function was to "monitor his treatment."
To the family, the oversight question is paramount because they say not only that his detention was unlawful, but also that it further threatened his safety. The Bergs have said the detention prevented him from leaving Iraq before the violence grew in Baghdad and Falluja.
The F.B.I. statement, though, said that coalition authorities had offered "to facilitate his safe passage out of Iraq," but that Mr. Berg refused their help.
Recalling his brother's independent personality, David Berg said such a refusal would not surprise his family, although he said he had no way of knowing whether Nicholas Berg had declined help. He had traveled to Iraq, in part, to generate business for his fledgling telecommunications company, which specializes in servicing radio towers. After an earlier visit, Mr. Berg returned to Iraq on March 14.
In the message dated April 6, addressed to his parents, brother and sister, Mr. Berg described the 13 days that he spent in the Shirdta Iraqiyah station near Mosul, an Iraqi detention center where, he said, the United States Military Police supervised and trained the Iraqi officers.
"The M.P.'s were a little surprised to see an American in civilian clothing, and I think out of formality and boredom they decided to do a background check, which involved C.I.D.," he wrote, referring to the Army Criminal Investigation Division.
The next morning, Mr. Berg described F.B.I. agents' questioning as amicable, but pointed. Among the questions asked, he wrote, were: "Why was I in Iraq? Did I ever make a pipe bomb? Why was I in Iran?"
He conjectured that their questions arose from some Farsi literature and a book about Iran that he had. Mr. Berg wrote that after four days he was transferred to a cellblock that included prisoners charged with petty offenses and suspected "war criminals."
"Word had spread due to the presence of certain items amongst my stuff that I was Israeli," Mr. Berg wrote. "So I felt a bit like Arlo Guthrie walking into a jail full of mother rapers and father stabbers as an accused litterbug."
The American military police, in fact, "were pretty stand-up," he wrote. "They heard the chants of Yehudien, Israelein, and told the I.P. prison staff to put me in my own cell."
"I did get on much friendlier terms with the other prisoners after they discovered I could speak a little Arabic and verified I didn't have horns or anything," Mr. Berg said.
He described the conditions for other prisoners and their treatment, depending sometimes on nationality. The others, he wrote, were behind closed cell doors and had no time outdoors. Some prisoners, considered political or suspected war criminals from India, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran "had been in custody for 40 days without a single interpreter interrogation, just waiting as they still do today, and the Iraqi guards treat these poor fellows — especially the Hindis among them — as real dogs.'
Mr. Berg was released on April 6, a day after his family filed a suit against the United States government seeking to have him freed.
"I hope to catch an opening on the next available Royal Jordanian flight out of Amman this Thursday as long as my ticket is still transferable," he wrote in the message. "Dad, Mom I will e-mail or call you with exact itinerary as soon as I have it."
He was seen by friends immediately after leaving the jail. In Baghdad, one friend, Andrew Robert Duke, who stayed at Al Fanar Tower Hotel, where he met Mr. Berg last month, recalled how much he was anticipating returning home when they had their last beer together on April 9.
"We talked about how he was looking forward to having children with a woman that he had not discovered yet," Mr. Duke, 49, said. "But with the money he was going to make here, he would be able to afford a family."
The men sat at a round glass-top coffee table on the sixth floor of the hotel. Mr. Berg told Mr. Duke that he was planning to go on a holiday to Turkey and maybe do some sailing. They finished their drinks, and Mr. Berg rose to go.
"I walked him to my door," Mr. Duke said. "Watched him open his door. I said: `Good luck, my friend. Stay in touch.' He said, `I am looking forward to it.' "
Mr. Berg was often seen socializing in the dining room or at the computers next to the lobby. Of muscular build, he often wore a baseball cap, a T-shirt cut off at the shoulders and tattered blue jeans.
"He came and went by himself," said a hotel office manager who gave first name as Ahmed.
The hotel staff cleared out his room, 602, and stowed a set of weights that Mr. Berg had left.
Red-haired and charming, he was described as friendly with workers and guests, chatting about subjects like Aerosmith and Philadelphia museums.
"He never talked about the war or said anything bad about Iraqis," Hugo Infante, a Chilean who works for United Press International, said.
"Just yesterday we realized he was killed," Mr. Infante said. "I saw his name on the Web site. When I saw the name, I said it was not possible it is Nick. Then I saw the face. He looked skinnier and paler."
Mr. Berg's friends and acquaintances at the hotel said he was working on communications towers for some Baghdad hotels. Mr. Infante said he last saw Mr. Berg on April 10, writing an e-mail message to his family. "I saw him there," he said, gesturing to the Internet cafe. "I said, `Hello, how are you?'
"And he said, `I want to go home.' "
Christine Hauser contributed reporting from Baghdad for this article.
KPFT Radio (Pacifica Radio affiliate):See questions/explanation on the Urban Hamid thread here"1970: Arlo Guthrie’s interminable "Alice’s Restaurant" was playing when KPFT was blown off the air by a dynamite attack on their transmitter…..the first station to be so targeted in the history of broadcast radio. A second attack soon followed; federal agents ultimately arrested a Ku Klux Klansman for the bombings. "
FYI... In case you're still keeping an index, this article has quotes from an email
that was not previously part of the archive (or I couldn't find it, lol).
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