Posted on 05/23/2004 4:27:06 AM PDT by sarcasm
"Well the exact opposite is closer to the case -- the less proficeint you thought of yourself the more likely you were to do everything possible to hang on to your 20-plus year position at all costs for fear of not finding something else, for that lack of ability and talent."
The folks that I speak about THINK they are proficient, that is why they complain so much. It's a perception vs. reality thing.
Experience with a company is far more likely to indicate strength, knowledge and proficiency than it is to indicate weakness as you described it......the only exception is for gov't employees......the smart ones often leave and find opportunity elsewhere, the less proficient ones stay and complain how underpaid they are. Do you work for the gov't?
You say: "Experience with a company is far more likely to indicate strength, knowledge and proficiency than it is to indicate weakness as you described it......the only exception is for gov't employees."
I agree that it is an utterly dismal situation in re proficiency with government employees. It is less bleak in private companies. Yet in provate companies it is still as I say, and easy fiat money, easy slave-rate off-shore labor has made *it* so pervasive. It being the inversion of proficiency to longevity.
I have a fierce pride in what I do -- I work to get things done, and when done and done right I am no longer needed. That means I need a steady and vibrant mix of new projects to be done. That US cornucopia of yesteryear is gone.
To India for software projects, to China for manufacturing. To speak in gross terms.
Good you are doing a side business. It impressed me when I was contracting with the government how many government employees used their position as a springboard to start their own businesses. Some were more energetic with that, others discrete.
I've seen that in private companies I've contracted with too. I remembr one project where we had to lock up key components in a cage with 24 hour security because folks were just *so* entrepreneurial.
Me -- I did neglect having three legs on my income stool. That was a mistake, I think. But I wanted to give each project I worked on my all, and that left nothing for side business. I do okay with "investments" -- but today's market I do not like.
Like you I am developing a third leg to that income stool. It will thrive, for it must.
Sorry my eyes aren't in my ears...I'm almost deaf but I see well...go do your thing...I'll do mine...you have a good life...and God be with you...
Working on your own as a contractor IS difficult work. The main problem being that you have to prove/sell yourself with every client - and it becomes more sales and marketing than technical/engineering.
Large organizations DO accumulate dead wood, I agree. However, there is also great value in having long-term employees in many cases.
That said, there is little incentive to keep employees. In many organizations, for many reasons, not the least of which is regulation, bureaucracy and liability - being an employee has little more security than being a private contractor.
As overhead increases on each employee forces companies to cut perks and benefits, employees will come to realize that they really ARE contractors for all intents and purposes - and some will start behaving that way and do as you have done and become 'hired guns'.
You cannot do anything about software development in India, or manufacturing in China. It's not going to stop, so if you find yourself competing in those arenas, I understand why you have the opinions you do, but directing your angst at all people who have longstanding jobs with big companies is hardly productive.
evolution and innovation is what has always driven this economy. If you have a better idea that will put big companies out of business, and all those long tenured employees, I'm all for it and wish you well.
Until then, you should think of those guys in big companies as 'customers'.
On that we disagree. It will stop, and my interest -- only from the inertia of liking what I done before and a want to continue doing that -- is in making it stop faster, and with less aggravtional efects to my family, neighbors and countrymen.
Americans are good at things intimately and intrinsically part of manufacturing, systems, engineering and sofware that just can not be found in any measure in other countries. However the these unique abilities are very much obscured and cut off from circulation by gross accumulations of "fat" -- they require either leaness in the economy or better yet a proper seperation of fat and lean.
I can not describe too well but what Mark Twain did in his corpus of opuses pretty well gets to them. The Connecticut Yankee, Tom Sawyer, Huck Finn, etc.
I understand the difference, having been involved in employment for over 28 years.
There's no question in my mind that the $60./hour figure is a well-structured lie.
There are a few "hot-button" programming skills which will get $75-80K salaries for 5+ years' successful experience, but only a few.
Run-of-the-mill mainframe COBOL/CICS/DB2 types are earning $60K max these days, if they are earning at all.
The BMW M3 is pretty.
"It will stop, and my interest ..... is in making it stop faster"
It will wax and wane.......but it won't stop, but it wouldn't break my heart if it did.
"Americans are good at things intimately and intrinsically part of manufacturing, systems, engineering and sofware that just can not be found in any measure in other countries."
What americans are really good at is allowing capital to follow opportunity to generate more capital. All other things are secondary and support the generation of capital in a free market.
"unique abilities are very much obscured and cut off from circulation by gross accumulations of "fat" -- they require either leaness in the economy or better yet a proper seperation of fat and lean"
What you should be focusing on is getting the gov't out of punishing business for success, for making money, for having employees, for growing. That will bring innovation and growth back to america faster than anything. What's most significant is not the outsourcing.... it's the reason behind why outsourcing is such a compelling draw, and that is gov't taxes and bureaucracy that punishes activities that are performed in this country.
You make an interesting, but somewhat futile point though...... Don't you think that if you got it your way, companies would still be faced with the same problems that are leading them to outsource today?
They can always apply for temporary Christmas work at the Post Office.
Yes, impoverished people like Osama Bin Laden. More BS from the left wing outsourcing cartel. I read these articles one after another, and if it isn't lying about prevailing wages, it is spreading wealth around the world. The only way you can be a pro off-shoring 'conservative' is if you are voting for your own bottom line, or you are one of those moral conservatives who believes in government sponsored charity.
Perhaps if you left out the goat castration part the HR folks might be a little less confused...
Bump.
Indian accomplice to the outsourcing hemmhoraging of U.S. economy..."Pay no attention to the man behind that curtain!!! Move along, nothing to see here..."
That's great but Stephen Roach of Morgan-Stanley points out this pesky little problem.
"Globalization may work well in the long run but it appears to have profoundly disruptive impacts in the short run. That could reflect its inherent asymmetries -- developing countries first come on line as producers long before they emerge as consumers."
And when the developing country has a closed economy the wait will be forever for them to start doin' a whole lot o consumin' o'er there?
Help Osama bin Laden out of poverty. Give your tech job to him. Only you can prevent terrorists' fires.
Now what will he do with the 500 million dollars he has? Would he really show up for work? Oh well. If giving up 138 million jobs is all it takes to stop terrorism it's small price to pay -- and it ends poverty, too!
Aside from your bad attitude, maybe your grammar is too good.
How many of those are shipped to India or China from here?
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