All I want is to see Bill IN CHAINS...
Posted on 05/21/2004 10:31:48 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim
He sounds an awful lot like my wife's uncle in Atlanta.
All I want is to see Bill IN CHAINS...
hehe ! :^DWell, I was polite when she started her speil and I let her finish. She was likewise.
Thank you, sir, I consider that quite a compliment. IMHO, my ability to shrug off small setbacks is based almost entirely in my 100%, never-contradicted belief in the over-riding FACT, that...
"Right's Winning!!"
(To be sung to R.E.M.'s "Nightswimming")
Fight Tyranny...Bold Warriors of the Right!!
We must ignore the Media Whore'd, they sold out long ago...
Spins the Truth backwards so the Sheeple doze.
Clinton, he ain't Right...to Tyrants, Liberty's a curse!
Nation needs The Right to lead her...we'll SLAUGHTER Hatred first...
That's our solemn pledge! Slick's goons must feel our might!!
Right's Winning...the Truth will come to light!!
Must make sure all the Sheeple understand.
We shan't let Traitors go...Bill Clinton must be caught!!
We'll avenge the Waco Slaughter...this Emperor, he's naked!
Bill's crimes won't go away...seek Justice ev'ryday!!
Right's winning...remember as we fight...
November's coming soon...Right's shooting for the moon!!
Slick, watch my dreams come true!!
Re-Impeached by Congress...convicted of Treason!!
Your vile style forever shunned...it's God's design...Right's Winning!!
Bill, your wife, she hates/is you...Slick, we will soon judge...
Guilty of Vile Tyranny!! I sit here laughin' quietly...
MUD predicted this...Right's Winning!!
(Reprise)
Ignore the Left's protests...they love Slick 'cuz Left's ALL VILE!
Right's winning...come join the Noble Right...
Come join our Righteous Fight!!
FReegards...MUD (11/08/2001)
Kindness begets kindness...MUD
I have a good friend that is 180 degrees different from me on politics. I mean, we are on opposite sides on every issue we've ever tried to discuss. I try to keep politics out of it, but can't help myself sometimes. hehe!
Well, first of all, it's accurate to say I'm a Democrat with socialist tendencies. I think socialism is the most equitable political system we can aspire to, but it will only work if the whole world is on board with it. You can't have 90% of the world working together while the other 10% takes advantage of their non-competitiveness. And a seismic shift to socialism won't happen for a verrrry long time, if at all, especially if we keep planting capitalism in third-world countries without the tools to compete with the United States in the marketplace (read: Iraq).
So, to be realistic, the best we can hope for in the here and now is a progressive government that believes in something less than corporate exploitation of our people and our environment.
WRT federal spending, it's really too complicated to nail it down to a percentage number, b/c so many things influence that number. Not all government programs are useful, and some are too underfunded to be relevant. And if you set a target to reach a specific number, you inevitably have people cut corners in certain endeavors in order to improve how that number looks. You just have to look at a case-by-case basis at how the government can best preserve life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. And I think Kerry is a good (but not perfect) start down that road.
(I'm setting the over/under on how many flames this post gets at 10. Any takers? =))
Now Mud, as a libertarian, since you're in favor of less government, why do you equate less government spending to a healthier economy? What do you think is wrong with the institution of government that electing the right officials won't fix?
Oops. That should read: "Homosexuality is a sin in Christianity", from Leviticus.
(I didn't think anybody actually read my posts... =) )
So, what do we want to INDICT the EX-Rapist-in-Chief for?! Well, fer starters, how 'bout...
"Lying Under Oath as President - 2 times
Lying Under Oath as Governor - 5 times
Lying Under Oath as Attorney General
Lying Under Oath in a Deposition
Lying Under Oath to a Grand Jury
Lying Under Oath as a Lawyer
Abuse of Power
Obstruction of Justice
Deriliction of Duty
Bribe Solicitation
Taking Bribes
Bribery of Cabinent Members
Bribery of State Officials
Treason
Corruption
Coercion
Graft
False Swearing
Malfeasance of Office
Perjury
Subornation of Perjury
Criminal Trespass
Witness Intimidation
Witness Tampering
Jury Tampering
Ethics Violations
Intentional Interference in the Administration of Justice
Misrepresentation
Civil Contempt of Court
Criminal Contempt of Court
Contempt of Congress
Contempt of the American People
High Crimes
Misdemeanors
Deception
False Testimony
Factually False Testimony
Misconduct
Serious Misconduct
Professional Misconduct
Notorious Misconduct
Obstruction of the Judicial Process
Recklessness
Grand Larceny
Extortion
Blackmail
Substance Abuse
Evidence Suppression
Illegal Foriegn Campaign Funding
Aiding and Abetting Espionage
Improper Exports of Sensitve Technology
Attempted Intimidation of Prosecutors
Destruction of Business Records with Intent to Defraud
Failure to Investigate Drug Trafficking
Real Estate Fraud
Criminalizing Frauds on Financial Institutions
Use of State Police for Personal Purposes
Illegal Loan Extraction
False Reports by Medical Examiners and Others Investigating Suspicious Deaths
Improper Futures Trading
Illegal Use of the Executive Branch
Character Defamation
Voter Fraud
Racketeering
Destruction of Evidence
Political Espionage
Money Laundering
Criminal Negligence
RICO Conspiracy
Misuse of Government Files
Desecration of Federal Ethics Laws
Judicial Intimidation
Conflict of Interests
Illegal Campaign Activity
Misuse of Corporate Assets
Ordering Politically Motivated Audits
Ordering Politically Motivated Investigations
Timing of War Influenced by Political Considerations
Misapplying Funds
Conspiracy to Defraud the Federal Government
Criminal Violation of the Privacy Act
Conspiracy to Conceal
Evisceration of the Right to Habeas Corpus
Misuse of Taxpayer Funds
Interfering with a Court Order
Theft of Government Property
Abuse of Taxpayer Financed Travel
Anti-American Espionage
Jeopardizing National Security
Aiding and Abetting Drug Traffic
Aiding and Abetting Organized Crime
Murder by Accessory by Witness Tampering
Murder by Accessory by Forgery
Foreign Influence Peddling
Regular Influence Peddling
Corrupting Public Discourse
Providing False and Misleading Testimony
Interferring with a Custody Case
Kidnapping by Accessory
Child Endangerment
Sexual Harassment
Indecent Exposure
Sexual Abuse of Employees
Lewd and Lascivious Conduct
Exchange of Promotions or Benefits for Sexual Favors
Sexual Assault
Statutory Rape
Contributing to the Delinquincy of a Minor
Unfit to hold a law license
Conduct Unbecoming a President
Squandering the Public Trust
52 posted on 11/10/01 11:25 AM Pacific by Slyfox"
Nice list, Slyfox...MUD
This ain't the Smirking Chimp, we're all about factfulness over here...you best check yer posts before you post or we'll pounce on ya!!
LOL...MUD
BTW...thanks fer calling him on that, p8riot...I just figgered it was more nonsense he was spewin'!!
Pleased to make your aquaintance. I used to be a Democrat, albeit a fairly conservative one. My entire family, and their spouses, are all Democrats, save me and one other.
My sister is a MoveOn.org contributor, and member. She and her husband are very fond of comparing Pres, Bush to Hitler, as are many of their friends.
Since many on the left love comparing conservatives to Nazis, I suppose it's fair, to call a liberal a socialist.
However, here's an interesting editorial on the subject, by Edward Fesser: I've abreviated it here, I apologize for it's length, but it is a good read.
Regards,
FBD
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1053807/posts
"Who was he?" :
..."He had been something of a bohemian in his youth, and always regarded young people and their idealism as the key to progress and the overcoming of outmoded prejudices. And he was widely admired by the young people of his country, many of whom belonged to organizations devoted to practicing and propagating his teachings. He had a lifelong passion for music, art, and architecture, and was even something of a painter. He rejected what he regarded as petty bourgeois moral hang-ups, and he and his girlfriend "lived together" for years. He counted a number of homosexuals as friends and collaborators, and took the view that a man's personal morals were none of his business; some scholars of his life believe that he himself may have been homosexual or bisexual. He was ahead of his time where a number of contemporary progressive causes are concerned: he disliked smoking, regarding it as a serious danger to public health, and took steps to combat it; he was a vegetarian and animal lover; he enacted tough gun control laws; and he advocated euthanasia for the incurably ill.
He championed the rights of workers, regarded capitalist society as brutal and unjust, and sought a third way between communism and the free market. In this regard, he and his associates greatly admired the strong steps taken by President Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal to take large-scale economic decision-making out of private hands and put it into those of government planning agencies. His aim was to institute a brand of socialism that avoided the inefficiencies that plagued the Soviet variety, and many former communists found his program highly congenial. He deplored the selfish individualism he took to be endemic to modern Western society, and wanted to replace it with an ethic of self-sacrifice: "As Christ proclaimed 'love one another'," he said, "so our call -- 'people's community,' 'public need before private greed,' 'communally-minded social consciousness' -- rings out…! This call will echo throughout the world!"
The reference to Christ notwithstanding, he was not personally a Christian, regarding the Catholicism he was baptized into as an irrational superstition. In fact he admired Islam more than Christianity, and he and his policies were highly respected by many of the Muslims of his day. He and his associates had a special distaste for the Catholic Church and, given a choice, preferred modern liberalized Protestantism, taking the view that the best form of Christianity would be one that forsook the traditional other-worldly focus on personal salvation and accommodated itself to the requirements of a program for social justice to be implemented by the state. They also considered the possibility that Christianity might eventually have to be abandoned altogether in favor of a return to paganism, a worldview many of them saw as more humane and truer to the heritage of their people. For he and his associates believed strongly that a people's ethnic and racial heritage was what mattered most. Some endorsed a kind of cultural relativism according to which what is true or false and right or wrong in some sense depends on one's ethnic worldview, and especially on what best promotes the well-being of one's ethnic group.
Who was he? He certainly sounds like the ideal presidential candidate of a Pacifica Radio Network listener or Mother Jones subscriber -- or, to make a more timely reference, a contributor to MoveOn.org. It can only add to his appeal for such people that he was a target of American and British bombing raids and had to flee to the safety of an underground hide-out. And he was none other than Time magazine's Man of the Year for 1938:
Adolf Hitler.
Surprise!
OK, it was a cheap trick; but I trust I didn't get anyone's hopes up too much. That der Fuhrer's biography has as much of a resemblance as it does to that of the typical granola-munching whale-saver is a fact of no small import, however. We'll return to that resemblance presently. For now let us note that it indicates that my little trick was no more cheap than was MoveOn.org's recent ad morphing President Bush's image into that of the leader of the National Socialist German Worker's Party.
The comparison of Republicans, conservatives, libertarians and right-wingers in general to Nazis and fascists is, of course, a tiresome and childish left-wing tactic. What is noteworthy is that even this desperate ploy is apparently not beneath the dignity of what purports to be a "respectable," mainstream liberal website, the financial support of which is the latest hobby of billionaire George Soros -- who has himself not been above comparing the Administration's policies to those of the Nazis and Communists who once ruled the Hungary of his youth. Once something of a Hayekian pseudo-intellectual, Soros has of late moved to the Left and become a pseudo-intellectual full stop. He is also, as this latest episode demonstrates, a flake, and a fool, and a dishonorable one at that. More than anyone else, a refugee from Nazi and Communist tyranny should be aware of the danger and dishonesty of Manichean politics...."
(snip) .......The argumentum ad Hitlerum has always been the first refuge of the moral and political ignoramus: "You don't approve of [welfare, sodomy, dope-smoking, Federal student loans, or whatever else a right to which the speaker considers the most precious]? You're a f***ing Nazi!" It rarely gets more sophisticated than that.
The international Communist movement, however, which included a great many pseudo-intellectuals of Soros-like talents, had in its day slightly more subtle, if equally disreputable, grounds for making use of the ploy. Given that the Soviet Union had been, during World War II, one of the enemies of Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy, Communists could pass themselves off as paradigmatic anti-fascists; and from there it was, for them, but a short step to concluding that any enemy of such paradigmatic anti-fascists must himself be a paradigmatic fascist. Of course, these inferences are utterly fallacious; but one needs, perhaps, the average Communist's three brain cells to make them, rather than the two brain cells that suffice for the campus stoner to infer that anyone who wants to take his bong from him simply must have a well-thumbed copy of Mein Kampf hidden under the mattress.
The tendency of Nation-magazine style Leftists reliably to lapse into the fascist/right-winger comparison is in part a holdover from this hoary Communist tactic, a nervous tic that an old fellow-traveler can find it hard to lose even fifteen years after the collapse of the Evil Empire. What the comparison conveniently forgets is the alliance that existed between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union before Hitler decided to betray Stalin, the Leftist dictator whose example had taught him so much about concentration camps and secret police. It forgets too the actual history of the development of fascist and National Socialist ideology, which had everything to do with developments in the socialist tradition in political thought, and absolutely nothing to do with the intellectual currents that gave rise to contemporary conservatism. But then, from Lenin and Stalin onward, the Left has been very good at airbrushing over any evidence of its true history, intellectual and otherwise.
Contemporary Anglo-American conservatism, by contrast, has roots in three intellectual sources that have no connection to socialism, and indeed have always been hostile to it: the traditionalist "Throne and Altar" continental European conservatism of thinkers like Joseph de Maistre; the British classical liberalism or libertarianism of John Locke and Adam Smith; and the moderate British conservatism of Edmund Burke which represents something of a middle ground between the first two trends of thought.
Hitler, Mussolini, and other fascists and Nazis had nothing but contempt for these intellectual traditions; and the difference between the characteristic themes of contemporary conservatism -- the free market, limited government, traditional religious belief -- are so obviously and radically different from, and opposed to, the tenets of fascism and National Socialism that it is difficult to understand how any intellectually honest person could see any similarity whatsoever.
The Leftist might, in desperation, point to the "family values" that Nazis and fascists claimed, like contemporary conservatives, to champion. But this demonstrates, not a link between fascism and conservatism, but only the extreme decadence into which Leftist thinking has sunk. For the reason Nazis and fascists claimed to champion these things was that everyone in public life in the thirties and forties championed them, whatever their position on the political spectrum; there was nothing terribly distinctive about it. It is only in an age in which the common moral sense of the West has reached the depths it has that a commitment to "family values" could be regarded as anything other than an (admittedly banal) expression of one's grasp of the morally obvious. Presumably the Nazis also spoke up for good grooming and table manners; no doubt there is a Leftist somewhere who would see this too as a telltale sign of right-wingery.
The Nazis' persecution of homosexuals does not undermine the point; for public disapproval of homosexuality was also universal at the time and not at all distinctive of Nazism per se. Moreover, in private many Nazis, including Hitler, had (as did so many other socialists of the day) a far more lenient attitude; and of course, the prevalence of homosexuals within Ernst Roehm's SA is well-known. Roehm himself was a notorious sexual libertine, and his band of thugs, committed as they were to the cult of violence and the destruction of capitalist society, are reminiscent of nothing so much as the anarchist mobs of Seattle and Davos. The hormonally-driven Rage Against the Machine fan who's seen Fight Club twenty times and sports a Che Guevara T-shirt is far closer to the spirit of the brown-shirts than is the polite and dorky teenage Bible-thumper.
The supreme irony, however, is that the one great difference between National Socialism and Marxism -- the obsession of the former with race -- has in recent decades become, more even than hostility to capitalism, the hallmark of Leftist thinking. White Leftists, of course, are committed to almost the reverse of Nazi thinking about their own ethnicity: there is no crime any Caucasian has ever been accused of to which they are not eager to plead guilty. It is as if they take self-hatred to be the only way to prove their undying loyalty, in the face of the National Socialist heresy, to the pure and undefiled internationalist Marxian faith. By contrast, non-white Leftists have adopted, and have been encouraged by their white comrades to adopt, a hyper-solidarity with members of their own ethnic groups that would have disgusted Marx, but which Hitler would have understood completely. If National Socialism is the project of combining hostility to capitalism with a belligerent racial consciousness, then it is to be found today, not in the Republican Party, but in the Congressional Black Caucus and the faculty lounges of ethnic studies' departments.
If we add anti-Semitism to the mix, then its closest approximation within American political life is to be found in the career of Al Sharpton; and internationally, in the Baathist movement, a mйlange of socialist economics and Arab nationalism of which Saddam Hussein was, until recently, the chief representative. Perhaps this explains the strange inability of Leftists to get as worked up over him as they do George Bush.
But of course, Leftists have always had difficulty getting too worked up over mass murder and political repression whenever the motivation for it is sufficiently "progressive." The 100 million corpses produced collectively by such prototypical twentieth-century left-wing statesmen as Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Kim Il Sung, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Minh, Mengistu Haile Mariam, and Fidel Castro have been given no candle light vigils, no star-studded Hollywood epics, no specially-colored lapel ribbons. Their killers, far more prodigious in homicide than Hitler ever was, are much less well-known than he; and the average college student, whose liberal professors take pains to keep their charges apprised of every shortage of toilet paper in Indonesian "sweat shops," is taught next to nothing about the crimes of Communism. Castro can, to this day, make a visit to New York in the knowledge that he will face nothing more threatening than a bear-hug from Rep. Charles Rangel -- unpleasant, to be sure, but nothing like the hand-cuffs and firing squad he deserves.
The biographical portrait with which I began this essay not only describes Hitler, but would, with only slight alteration, fit Mussolini as well. But no amount of rewriting would make it a plausible description of George Bush, Ronald Reagan, or Margaret Thatcher. More significantly, it is in left-wing political thinking that fascism and National Socialism had their origins and have today their strongest echoes; and in left-wing governments that the crimes of the Nazis and fascists have the most glaringly obvious parallels. Yet for all this, it is right-wingers, we are assured, who are the real closet totalitarians -- the ones who fit the psychological profile, and whose political philosophy has dangerous implications. I ask again: what can be the source of such a pathological delusion?
The pop psychologists have a word for it: projection. The Leftist, unwilling to see his own worldview for what it is and has been historically, transfers what he knows deep down to be the truth onto his political rivals. He falsely sees in them what he ought to see in himself. He is like the child who blames his teachers, his parents, his dog -- anyone but himself -- for his poor grades; as in so many other ways, Leftism reveals itself to be a kind of arrested adolescence.
Hitler's famous mustache has its obvious analogues in those of Stalin and Saddam Hussein. But George Bush does not wear one. Still, the left-winger insists he can see it there whenever he looks at the President's picture. Perhaps he ought to consider the possibility that what he's really looking at is a mirror.
Edward Feser: "The Mustache on the Left"
Edward Feser is Visiting Assistant Professor of Philosophy at Loyola Marymount University in Los Angeles, and author of On Nozick (Wadsworth, 2003).
What would you expect?! Yer continued belief in the failed concept of Universal Socialism demonstrates a severe disconnect with reality, my LeftWing FRiend...I'd set you straight myself, but I'm looking forward to others doing the honors. Please remind me if you don't get the 10 flames you seek and I'll make sure you do.
Instead, since I'm trying to get outta this office and out in the beautiful day outside, I'll limit my response to...
"Now Mud, as a libertarian, since you're in favor of less government, why do you equate less government spending to a healthier economy? What do you think is wrong with the institution of government that electing the right officials won't fix?"
When John F. Kennedy cut tax rates in the early 60's, what happened?! Long-term economic growth, that's what. And when Reagan cut taxes in the early 80's, what happened?! The longest peacetime economic expansion in WORLD HISTORY!!
Guv'ment spending is the most inefficient way to expend national resources...always has been, always will be. The bureaucracies that build up around these Federal spending programs are rife with fraud, abuse, misappropriation of funds, loss of monies...there is by definition no profit motive, no competition, no incentive to do more with less!! The Soviet Union failed despite plentiful natural resources and a once-energetic and once-resourceful labor pool, simply because it was based on Socialism, a form of resource allocation that has failed miserably each and every time it has been tried.
FReeMarketCapitalism, OTOH, works whenever it is free from corruption and monopolistic manipulation (aka fascism)!! I'm surprised that someone as articulate as you hasn't come to understand this undeniable fact of life yet.
How old are you again?! I believe yer in yer 30's...you oughtta have learned this by now...MUD
"Justa Prison Drone"
(To be sung to Bob Dylan's "Like a Rollin' Stone")
Once upon a time, you spewed yer lies...
Danced the Bubba Jive with yo' wife...I WARNED YOU!!
Mudboy wrote and sang, "Beware, BOY, yer bound to fall..."
What ya think?! [that] I wuz...kiddin' you?!!
You used to...prance about...
Brain-dead Elitists...hangin' out.
Now, FOB's don't talk so loud...
Now they don't seem so proud...
About knowin' yer cellmate, Bubba, makes you squeeeeeeeeeeeal!!!
How does it feeeel?! Slick, how does it feeeel?!
Knowin' Prison's yer home...just a rock-crushin' ho'!!
Justa Prison Drone!!!
Ahhh...you went to the finest schools...
Alright, Slick Willie, but you know you only used to get...JUICED IN 'EM!!
You never learned, BOY, how to live within walls concrete...
And now yer gonna have to get...used to it!!
You say you never told them lies...
Never raped Lady J...didn't know about the spies...
We're not buyin' yer ol' alibis...
Slick, we'll avenge all them children...YOU have fried!!
Now, you say, "Do we want to...Make A Deal?!!"
I DON'T THINK SO!!!!
How does it feeeel?! Bill, how does it feeeel?!!
To be on yer own...with yer whole Legacy Blown...
Do ya hear me now?! Yer just a Chi-Com HO!!!
Ahh you...never turned around to see the frowns...
On yer spokesmen and yer clowns who all did...tricks fer you.
Slick, it's understood that you ain't no good...
Real Men wouldn't let Ol' Butch Reno take yer...licks fer you!!
You used to ride on Air Force One with ol' Arafat...
Then you sold all our nukes to them Chinese cats...
Ain't it hard...when you discover that...
You really ain't, BOY, where it's at?!!
Tell me, Slick, whatcha want fer yer last meal?!!
HOW DOES IT FEEL?! Gonna make you kneel...
Willie, yer on yer own...in the FReeper Zone!!
Yep...a complete unknown...YOU, WE SHALL DETHRONE!!
Ahhh...wake up, all of you Sheeple...FReep the Elites...
They're all partyin'...thinkin' Slick's...got it made!!
Showerin' Slick with precious gifts...
Where Slick's goin' them cellmates don't like TRAITORS...
They don't take kindly to RAPE!!
You used to be...so amused...
At my Mudboy Songs and my "Radical RightWing Views"...
Come to me...and kneel down...let's make some News!!
Slick, beg to me, "Mudboy, please don't tighten the noose!!"
Yer vulnerable now...and all yer secrets, we'll reveal!
HOW DOES IT FEEL?!! Bill, HOW DOES IT FEEL?!!!
To know you'll be DETHRONED!! Knowin' Prison's yer next home!!
Just a rock-crushin' 'HO!!! JUSTA PRISON DRONE!!!!
(Sweet harp to fade)
MUD
Hot damn there son, you're on a roll today! This thread is a keeper. Thanks.
and thanks for the ping Meek!
First of all, Hitler detested socialism. Hitler saw socialism as part of a Jewish conspiracy. Many of the socialist leaders in Germany were Jews, as were many of the leaders of the October Revolution in Russia. Karl Marx, the founder of socialism, was also a Jew. The principle tenets of classical socialism, which are mainly based on decentralization of government power into the hands of the common laborer, are completely different from Hitler's centralized, fascist state.
I'm not one of the people who would compare Bush to Hitler. It's really hard to understand how terrible and truly evil Hitler was today, even compared to Sadaam Hussein or Osama bin Laden. This is a man who murdered millions of Jews, often in denigrating, horrible ways, and was able to convince an entire nation that it was right to do so. I'm just as concerned about measures like the PATRIOT Act, which take away our civil liberties, and about how he puts a greater value over corporate profit than human life, as other liberals such as Soros. But as terrible of a president Bush has been, possibly our worst president ever, I wouldn't put him in the same stratosphere as Hitler.
And, since the whole screed's basis is an attempt to draw similarities between liberals and Nazis, Mr. Fesser (sp?) commits the exact transgressions he complains is part of a "childish left-wing tactic".
Your piece mentions "projection", but the piece itself is nothing but a misguided projection of liberal thought, and a desperate attempt to connect it with fascism. While I wouldn't equate Mr. Fesser or his politics as Hitler-esque, I would definitely put this essay on the same level of sincerity and intellect as Nazi propaganda.
You bet ! :^D
Probably not. I missed the last meeting due to surgery recovery (and again I appreciate the card y'all signed for me). But I think George is referrin' to the constantly absent jla who has skipped several meetings after promising to bring us campaign literature and stickers.
Dang George, you must be close to my age with yer taste in music. Motown is my favorite genre. BTW, I missed the last RTM and the meetings at the Fox and Hound (?) due to recoverering from surgery. I still cannot drive after dark.
OK, Sam. You stopped me in my tracks with this one! Where did you get that notion???
Are you a Christian???
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